Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[thx4]

One of my latest experiments in the subject
https://youtu.be/IHfq_tPOrvI
In search of the grail...
https://youtu.be/d8PEZt4yu3E

[agor95]

Hi Graham

I reviewed the article and Fletcher point is valid. When you have a claim then you need to do a loopback test.

Then you will have something; subject to peer review.

Regards

[Roxaway59]

i tend to stick to mechanical ideas , but there are some effects of magnets I like because they can behave quite strange and its always fascinating to see something behave strange

That's exactly how it is with me too JB.

I'm fascinated by anything unusual.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Hi agor95, yes I agree about feeding output to input and I am sick of seeing devices that don't do that but you must have read the same thing I did.

So it isn't possible to do without electricity altogether? The inventor signals his disagreement. "Eight milliamperes at nine volts", he says. That is only a control mechanism. The power at the shaft is much greater. Engel also thought about a mechanical drive for the mirror directly from the rotor shaft, but opted against this as it would considerably increase mechanical complexity.

We only have his word but this man does not come across as a crank and he was not after money. Unfortunately he later died.
Graham

[agor95]

Hi Graham

http://infinitysav.lt/en/home-2/

This company has a loop back test on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@FutureEnergy

Regards

[johannesbender]

One of my latest experiments in the subject
https://youtu.be/IHfq_tPOrvI
In search of the grail...
https://youtu.be/d8PEZt4yu3E

A good demonstration , I believe less mechanical output than input - conservation of energy that eventually stop a permanent magnet driven wheel , although its always nice to observe invisible forces at play .

This is a good demonstration (title : A Permanent Magnet That Turns On and Off) inline with what you are doing : https://youtu.be/PMma3OJUHhs
A build video : https://youtu.be/MptNafdF_q8 or https://youtu.be/AygyCYMVXlI

I want to mention what i am doing but i don't want to mention what i am doing haha.

[thx4]

I want to mention what i am doing but i don't want to mention what i am doing haha.

J'ai une bonne dizaine de vidéos que vous ne verrez jamais 🙂

[johannesbender]

I want to mention what i am doing but i don't want to mention what i am doing haha.

J'ai une bonne dizaine de vidéos que vous ne verrez jamais 🙂

Some things must remain unspoken until facts are in order , I don't like mentioning things I have not confirmed for real yet , all i can say for myself is i am busy testing a new concept because bla talk is cheap .

[Tarsier79]

http://infinitysav.lt/en/home-2/

This company has a loop back test on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@FutureEnergy

An interesting find.

Pity the video is 4 years old. The other videos are up to 7 years old. They are right next to a buoyancy motor generator that I know for a fact doesn't "work". I wonder how many "investors" they have taken money off?

I am highly skeptical on this device. There is a lot of room in the motor for batteries. There are other ways to fake this. What I can tell you for a fact, there is no way that tiny rubber belt is running a generator at 10KW. Light globes are not 100W like they used to be. You can get them down to 1W now!.

I hope they are not scammers. I hope the device works to an extent.

Smells like a scam to me though.

[Fletcher]

Therefore for anybody in the inventors shoes take your output and turn a generator - generate some voltage and current and charge a battery thru an inverter if required - then connect in this case the "mirror" motor to your battery supply to make it turn - monitor the battery charge over weeks and months if necessary - Just TWO Questions - did the battery fully charge up ? - and is it still fully charged up ?

Come to think of it, and I'm no electrician, how bout attaching a small electrical motor from the output shaft and run it backwards as a generator - then leads from it off to the input 'mirror' motor or whatever - meter the power in and out sides of the permanent magnet OU motor .. then you give it a hand-whirl and it takes over from there producing its own input energy - if it speeds up you have OU n.b. some brushless motors are up to 90 % efficient I think - you may need to plan to draw off excess power to limit its maximum rpm and avoid catastrophic runaway .. if it slows down and stops put a pesky battery in the system as above ..

[Roxaway59]

Fletcher in my opinion I think its highly unlikely that the inventor was lying about what he thought his invention was doing although he may have been mistaken of course. He wasn’t trying to make any money and he was already a millionaire. His intention was to give it away.

He was already ill and didn’t feel up to tinkering with it any more. When he died it would have fallen into the hands of his son who is a business man. Maybe he had other ideas about it because at that point everything went quiet. It may have transpired that it didn’t work in which case why not say so?

The idea seemed to be that the mirror magnet turned easily but then produced a greater torque at the output due to atoms giving up some of their energy. In other words it was nuclear powered.

To me this sounds nuts but it isn’t the first time I have heard a story about nuclear energy being accessed easily.

Cold fusion is another one that comes to mind. I don’t want to end up ranting about this but cold fusion never went away. By the time the media had finished back then it went underground. Lots of new companies began cropping up using the exact same idea but calling it something else.

I’m afraid this is another great example of science being controlled by money. Years after cold fusion was flushed round the u bend I heard one of the scientist involved talking about it on the radio as I was driving home late one night. He was basically saying yes its real and he couldn’t understand why the establishment had covered it up.

Everything in science needs to be replicated and in the case of cold fusion that has proved hard to do consistently. Some believe it is to do with the type of stainless steal used and that on a molecular level there needs to be little chambers in the metal for the water to go in where some kind of resonance takes place.

I’m not a scientist so its difficult for me to make sense of it. What I do know is that as part of the media circus back then involved a university to replicate what the scientists had done and according to some they falsified their results. They made it look as though there was no heating effect taking place when in fact there was. Since then some people have tried and failed and some have succeeded and I seems to depend on the type of metal that is used.

I have a hard time believing that Bessler made some kind of wheel that incorporated this kind of innovation but basic magnets were available at that time.

However I have to say that if he did do something like this it would explain a lot. His wheel would have been in effect a nuclear powered wheel. No wonder that people continue to scratch their heads for three hundred years and beyond.

Even if magnets were not involved though maybe nuclear power is the best way of thinking about this enigma. Inertia is to do with atoms so maybe its true that every force has an equal and opposite reaction but the vector of the opposite reaction under the right circumstances can be altered in a favourable way to perpetuate the turning of the wheel. This is only a guess on my part but what if the energy to achieve this actually comes from the atoms.
Graham

[Fletcher]

Rox .. "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" quote comes to mind about cases like this .. a certain level of (purposeful) naivety perhaps - so lets examine what happened to this old and rich, but unwell guy - he is smart enough to think of, what he thinks will be, a free-energy motor that he wants to be freely available to the masses .. he puts lots of time and experimentation and resources into building it and to him it appears to work as the instructions that did not come with it claim ..

He truly believes what he has invented is the real deal which is his biggest motivator - time and health is short so he goes public - perhaps because money was not the object ego and notoriety was the second most important personal motivator - who doesn't want to be remembered as a benevolent savior and forever famous for it ..

But remember he is smart - but not smart enough to surround himself with other credible people who can vouch for him and his results - why is that ? - because they would not put their names to such claims unless they were rigorously tested, repeatable, and validated .. sound B, & Karl familiar .. but he is still not smart enough to see that they way forward is to "close the energy loop" so the alleged free-energy OU magnet motor is demonstrably isolated beyond reproach ..

In the case of "cold fusion" that validation was not EVERY-TIME repeatable suggesting to me that the scientific CAUSE & EFFECT relationship had not been isolated and ring fenced, to have complete repeatability and reliability ..

When repeatability can be assured its called scientific advancement and enters the text books ..

[Fletcher]

a little humour to go with the good intentions can also pave the way ..

[Sam Peppiatt]

That's good Fletcher, and open and shut case--------------Sam

[Roxaway59]

That looks catastrophic.
Graham