Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[Roxaway59]

Fletcher I would like to ask you and others on the forum this question.

Lets say that you had a really great week and you managed to find the prime mover for Besslers wheel and actually got a wheel going over unity. Do you think you would be able to patent it in the West? Yes or No only.

Then you decide to start experimenting with cold fusion and amazingly with a unique technique you find that its possible and you are producing lots of heat energy that can only be coming from the atom. Do you think that you would be able to patent it in the West therefore protecting your intellectual property and hard work meaning money in the bank and perhaps the Nobel prize? Yes or No only.

Graham

[eccentrically1]

You couldn't patent your OU wheel.
You could patent your cold fusion technology if it was shown the energy can "only be coming from the atom".

[Roxaway59]

This is part of an article I read going back to 2011 on 2 scientist one of which has now past away.

His thoughts on the science status: “We’ve arrived. It’s interesting we’ve arrived in a different car than we thought we were. Cold fusion started out using deuterium and palladium, and then Rossi found that it worked quite well in nickel and light hydrogen.”
On Rossi’s path to discovery: “Rossi hit upon this somewhat by accident. He was using a nickel catalyst to explore ways of making a fuel by combining hydrogen and carbon monoxide and apparently, observed quite by accident, that his [apparatus] was making extra energy. So then he explored it from that point of view and, apparently, over a year or two, amplified the effect.”
“He’s exploring the gas loading area of the field. This is also a region, a method used in the heavy water, or the heavy hydrogen, system. But in this case, it was light hydrogen, ordinary hydrogen and nickel and what happens is quite amazing.”
“You create the right conditions in the nickel, and he has a secret method for doing that, and all you do is add hydrogen to it and it makes huge amounts of energy based upon a nuclear reaction.”
Storm’s thoughts on the secrecy: “Well, you really need a patent, you need to protect your intellectual property. You want to be able to gain some economic benefit from the discovery. So far, they have not gotten a patent, and that’s always been difficult in the cold fusion field because the patent examiners simply don’t believe that it’s real.”
“So, until they get a patent, they’re not revealing how they do it. Now, they’ve been upfront about what they can do and what they promise to do, and so far, they’ve fulfilled these promises. Once they get their patent, then they promise to reveal how they go about doing this.”
Storm’s thoughts about the coverage both where its well covered and not: On the covered side, “The Swedish newspapers, the Italian newspapers, the Greek newspapers, they showed an interest. The American newspapers showed none at all. It’s been on a number of blogs and talked about in a number of chat rooms, but no, it hasn’t reached a level of any serious importance to the American press.”
Not covered, “Mainly because, it is institutionally the belief that cold fusion is not real, or if it is real, it’s so trivial, it’d make no difference to anybody. That’s institutional. It’s the myth that’s in, we’ll call it, the intellectual structure of the United States, and a number of other countries.”

Graham

[Sam Peppiatt]

Garham,
The whole purpose of fusion is to generate a lot of heat to do work. If there isn't any heat, (cold fusion), how can it do any work--------------------Sam

ETA, Sure, you could patent a wheel, why not?

[Roxaway59]

You couldn't patent your OU wheel.

Lets just think about that for a moment.

If anyone here discovers what Bessler did and makes a working over unity wheel solving the carbon foot print nonsense and bring clean abundant energy to everyone potentially saving millions of lives they wont allow you to patent it.

Now does that seem reasonable or does that sound very sinister. I think I know which one it is.

Graham

[Roxaway59]

The idea Sam is you use certain materials that are usually long lasting and by combining them create a situation where atoms give up their energy without putting much energy in. E=mc2 so if for example all the atoms in your body was turned into energy usually in the form of electro magnetic radiation you would create a massive crater.
Graham

[Sam Peppiatt]

Graham, I'm afraid it's far beyond my understanding. I'm going to stick with gravity. At least you don't have to make it-------------Sam

[johannesbender]

Don't know how the law is different geographically , but IIRC , PM patents will not be granted unless you can proof your PM is real or something like that , something about testing and such .

[Roxaway59]

Lets take a hypothetical situation here johannsbender. Lets say that the macro world can affect atoms in a mechanical machine to the point where their interaction results in the atoms giving up some of their energy and the wheel turns continuously and is able to power a generator.

If that turned out to be the case how would an ordinary person working in their shed be able to prove it without spilling the beans in the first place letting every man and his dog know how to do it before being able to patent it?

Its pretty obvious by now that the patenting system is a firewall that stands in the way of people making their inventions known to the public.

Graham

[Robinhood46]

Its pretty obvious by now that the patenting system is a firewall that stands in the way of people making their inventions known to the public.

What are you talking about?
Is there a fundamental law that we don't know about, that makes showing all your mates your invention physically impossible, if you haven't applied for a patent?
I would be interested to know by what mechanism the patenting system stands in the way.

[Roxaway59]

The patenting system is a way of publishing your device apart from anything else. When you apply for a patent you are basically declaring who you are and what you are doing before it stands a chance of being patented.

Military patents are kept separate from the public so if a member of the public came up with a military secret they are asking for trouble. Not only would it be rejected but that wouldn't be the end of it.

To give an idea about how dangerous this can be I once looked through a very long list of suspicious suicides involving scientists working on secret projects.

One of the reasons I came on the forum is that Besslers wheel is a low tech device and easily reproducible and most of us here would share it but not all. Some would hang on to the idea that they could fill their bank accounts and get a patent. This would be a mistake in my opinion
Graham

[eccentrically1]

You couldn't patent your OU wheel.

Lets just think about that for a moment.

If anyone here discovers what Bessler did and makes a working over unity wheel solving the carbon foot print nonsense and bring clean abundant energy to everyone potentially saving millions of lives they wont allow you to patent it.

Now does that seem reasonable or does that sound very sinister. I think I know which one it is.

Graham

The patent office will have your OU wheel examined and realize it’s not OU. So they would give you a patent based on it being a machine that hopefully utilizes a source of renewable energy in some unique way. There’s nothing sinister about it.

Whatever Bessler did , it wasn’t OU. I doubt anyone will be able to prove what he did even if they duplicate his wheel tests.

[John Collins]

Don’t patent it. Too expensive, takes too long. It won’t protect the device against any improvements. You would be chasing your tail for ever trying to prevent anyone anywhere in the world copying your design not to mention improving it. And If you publish the design and explain it, it’s then in the public domain and no one can patent it. You make your money through the media.

JC

[preoccupied]

Don’t patent it. Too expensive, takes too long. It won’t protect the device against any improvements. You would be chasing your tail for ever trying to prevent anyone anywhere in the world copying your design not to mention improving it. And If you publish the design and explain it, it’s then in the public domain and no one can patent it. You make your money through the media.

JC

Try to patent the concept. There has to be a new concept to get it to work. Unless it's just my stupid retarded swastika with pulleys then it is in fact just a Bessler's wheel and the concept would be special connectivity of parts and require no new physics or mechanical concepts. If you discover a principle in mechanics or physics you can patent that concept and then improvements are like engineering variations only. You would always be able to enforce your principle or concept if you patent it. Don't think you can't if you invent something that creates a perpetual motion machine. Talk to a lawyer always. You can patent a concept, I think. Always talk to a lawyer.

[JUBAT]

Ive thought too how fun it would be to build a working wheel then film it on a camera (no phone so no gps data) and then using a garage sale find laptop and a disguise upload it to youtube and rumble or even tik tok and then get the heck out of where you uploaded it. Maybe save the laptop for proof it was you but dont turn it on at home.

Watch the global mayhem that ensues.