Mayday! Mayday!!!

[raj]

Dear Path_Finder,

I seems to me that I do not always convey my thoughts through my drawings well enough.

But I can assure you that the smaller (specially designed) drum wheel will rotate at twice the speed of the outer larger drum wheel, being pulled by non-elastic strings/cords or chains.

With lots of difficulties, I managed to make a short video, showing the larger wheel turning 45 degrees( look at the horizontal bar on the larger outer wheel) and the special smaller drum wheel ( in the form of a cross-bar made of thick wires) inside, turning 90 degrees , being pulled by flexible strings.

I hope this video helps you understand my new speed doubler concept, requiring NO GEARING.

[raj]

This speed doubler will only work, if a unique ratio of dimensions of the larger outer wheel, the smaller inner wheel and the length of the strings/cords or chains is used.

I found this ratio, by intensive searching and trial and eror. I think it is a BIG find.

Raj

[raj]

THIS DESIGN has all the elements to be a possible RUNNER.

'' An intrcate system of strings and weights.''

''The weights will move and nerver come to rest and nerver find balance''

This is what I see.

Or is it just a mirage?

Raj

[path_finder]

Dear raj,
You know what I think about the crankshaft...
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 49b#101753
Why the vilbrequin (crankshaft) is also thick in an engine?
And when the crankshaft occupates the center volume, how can you let swing your elbowed pendula?

[raj]

I have just come to realise that the swinging weights themselves will act as a SPEED DOUBLER mechanism for the smaller inner wheel, simply by the clockwise rotating larger outer wheel pulling on the string connected to the weights and to the smaller inner wheel on the ascending side, while the weights on the descending side providing net positive clockwise torque.

Raj

[raj]

On the above drawing, we can see clearly that the swinging weights on the clockwise side of the wheels, are providing a torque surplus which should help the wheels to rotate clockwise.

Here we can see the positions of the swinging weights after 22.5 degrees clockwise rotation of the wheels.

Again, we can see clearly that the swinging weights, in their new positions, on the clockwise side of the wheels, are STILL providing a torque surplus which should help the wheels to rotate clockwise further.

Raj

[raj]

The drawing design below, has been debated lengthily for over a year. It seems there has been some agreement of the possibility of it being a good design. That is why, I think my friend Path-Finder has given so much of his time and effort to do a test build.
But the major obstacle with this design has been the impossibility of having a reasonable SPEED DOUBLER mechanism for the two wheels, one inside the other.

Raj

[raj]

Now look at the next drawing below.

It looks almost similar to the drawing above.
The main difference here, is that the smaller wheel inside the drum wheel TURN at the SAME SPEED, because the hubs/sprockets of the drum wheel and the smaller wheel inside are geared to a 1:1 ratio.

Here the weights on the elbowed rigid arms, behave almost like in the drawing above, and PROVIDE continuous counter-clockwise net torque for continued rotation.(???)

Kindly let me hear from you on this new presentation.

Thanks

Raj

[raj]

Here's a lateral view of the new drawing presented for ease of reference.

Raj

[Tarsier79]

Which way is it supposed to spin, and what makes you think it will turn if your other design didn't?

[Ed]

Because, just like the Spine-O-Cylinder, the Auto Wheel is Patent Pending, and he has the perfect contour of human verti-brains to make it work. :-)

[raj]

Ed!

Thank you.

This is exactly what we need on this forum: People like you - FULL OF WISDOM.

[raj]

Tarsier79!

Of course, the wheels will turn counter-clockwise. I have already mentioned this in my post above.

Just look at the positions of the weights on their elbowed rigid pivots, and measure the clockwise and counter-clockwise torque, and you will find a NET counter-clockwise torque which should make the wheels turn counter-clockwise.

It has not been shown by anybody that my other design won't work. But I won't stake a penny that it will.

As I have mentioned above, my other design has been discussed by Forum menbers like A.B Hammer, Riortie and others with an array of drawings and build attempts by me and specially Path_Finder throughout a whole year. And If I am not mistaken, Path_Finder is stiil thinking on a possible build attempt.
As pointed out again, my other design works on the principle of one wheel inside another wheel with the inside wheel rotating at twice the speed of the outer wheel with weights swinging simultaneously on 4 rigid arms on the inner wheel and 8 rigid arms on the outer wheel.
This working principle has made Path_Finder's and my countless build attempts failed. Simply because we have not been able to find a suitable speed doubler mechanism.

In my new design/drawing the working pinciples are the same, except now, the inner wheel and outer wheel turn at the SAME speed and both wheels have 8 rigid arms forming the elbows on which the weights swing around the axles.

If you care to look,you will find a NET counter-clockwise torque by the weights throughout 360 degrees, and the overall positions of the weights resetting every 45 degrees turn counter-clockwise.

That's how I see it.

Raj

Ps. Tarsier79, I have full respect for you, and your contribution on my threads will always be welcomed.

[johannesbender]

raj this is how I THINK it would behave.

here we have :

in dark blue , the individual centre of masses
wich I believe will converge within the red
triangular area's somewhere along the red vectors.

in light blue , green and yellow we have the
paths of the individual centres of masses.

and as i think ,in black the path that wil be followed by, the actual centre of masses wich converge within the red triangular areas of the connected arms and weights .

in purple/pink we have the supports of the mechanisms , wich will have to lift mass on the
left above the supports ..

now I believe concidering the lift of mass on the left above the supports plus having the total
central of mass somewhere in the middle right
of the wheel , will not do as you expect.

the total centre of mass I believe wil be towards
the bottom right where the centre of the black
path is ..

[raj]

Dear JB,
I thank you for your justifiable points as you see it.

I have shown two designs/drawings above, one previous long debated design and a new almost same principle applied design.

If anybody has followed this rather long thread, should have found that my previous design had lots of positive response.

My friend Path_Finder has spent countless time and inputs on this thread, almost in a committed way to show that the design would work. And I am so grateful to him.

Below is Path_Finder's animation/simulation he posted on this thread almost a year ago. No one todate on this forum, has found his simulation farfetched. And I raise my hat to Path_Finder's commitment.

Raj