OK. I'm not sure how to proceed here with Ralph. How can I have a serious conversation when Ralph doesn't listen to what I say and he uses waffle words and weird sentence structures? But hey, none are perfect!
I'll back way up and start with a definition.
Moving Weight - A weight that is in motion. It could be a block of steel with wheel rolling across the floor. It could be a swinging pendulum.
Swinging Weight - A Moving Weight on the end of a lever that is moving in any curved path.
Pendulum Weight - A weight that hangs on the end of a rod and swings back and forth due to gravity.
Bessler says that his wheel gains energy from swinging/moving weights. This is the best and only wordings (English or German) that describes what (I think) he meant. The weights are not pendulums because they are not completely free to swing by gravity. Their swinging is complex. There are more forces causing the weights to swing than just gravity pulling downward like with a pendulum. I feel very stongly that a certain combination of 'pairs of pairs of interconnected weights' can gain energy from their swinging/motion. As such the inertia of the moving weights does not come from gravity, though gravity does play a role in powering the wheel.
So, that being said I'll look at what Ralph says.
Ralph wrote:The inertia of the moving weight was applied by gravity.
If a weight gains speed (and therefore gains momentum) due to inertial forces of other weights rather than due to gravity then the inertia of the moving weight in question was applied/supplied by inertial momentum, and Ralph's statement that it is from gravity is wrong.
Ralph wrote:A gravity operated machine cannot function and should not be compared to an object in outer space. You are trying to make a comparison using two different physical properties, gravity and no gravity. True it is the momentum inertia and or kinetic force that makes a weight swing,
If springs are used in place of gravity in an outer space environment and if the wheel gains its energy from swinging/motion then the wheel would still work. Ralph is using tunnel vision. He doesn't see that gravity cannot power a wheel, it must have some other force to supply the energy/power, inertial momentum is the only choice available, and as such the wheel would be powered by "the weight's swinging/motion" as Bessler said, and NOT by gravity.
Ralph wrote:True it is the momentum inertia and or kinetic force that makes a weight swing, But neither of these can produce the swing or cause a set amplitude without gravity. It is gravity that provides the to and fro which creates the inertia.
No, it is inertia working to and fro with
any force, be it gravity or springs or even leveraging against other weights that can cause a weight to move to and fro.
Ralph wrote:I do not consider gravity as a secondary force as it is the root of all that procedes it, not precede it.
I guess this is a matter of opinion. But if gravity is a secondary force with a water powered wheel then it would be a secondary force with an inertia powered gravity wheel. Both would be powered by the out of balance weight which is secondary after the weight is first lifted up higher.
Ralph wrote:We are talking different creatures in the eye of the beholder. I consider any weight that swings no matter the physical connection that is activated/controlled by gravity will meet and comply with the known physics of a pendulum. I agree that it need not be called a pendulum. But if it swings like one reacts like one then by any other name it is a pendulum.
If it swings freely like a pendulum then it is a pendulum. But if it swings/moves like a swinging/moving weight interconnected to other weights, well... it can no longer can be called a simple pendulum, though you might call it a compound pendulum. It certainly doesn't swing and react like a simple pendulum. I find the best way to describe it is as Bessler described it: a swinging/moving weight.
Ralph wrote:True a swinging weight can be swung by many different forces, wind, muscle, etc. As for a weight swinging using CF, I am afraid that I would have to see some tangible evidence. True it will cause a weight to swing out but not in, and without in-out there is no swinging.
All I can do is laugh. Making two weights swing, one in and the other out is very simple. And each time they swing the CF is strongest in the direction that they swing, so they gain energy by swinging. But now is not yet the time for me to reveal how it might be done.
Ralph wrote:Please define/describe how a swinging weight differs in its swing from a swinging pendulum which is a swinging weight?
I think I answered this. A pendulum swings back and forth, to and fro in a simple balancing between gravty force and momentum force. A swinging weight is swinging on a rotating wheel and swings in a very complex path and is driven and pushed/pulled by many forces, and at times is prevented from moving by being latched to the wheel. A swinging weight may resemble a simple pendulum, but it doesn't act like a simple pendulum.
Jim_Mich wrote:I take it to mean that you think the pivot point(s) must change their locations in order for a wheel to work.
Ralph wrote:But yes you have explained my opinion very well. I believe that if the pivot point is attached (fixed) and the weights latch at a different orientation, then that different orientation will probably be symmetrical orientated to the disk all is mounted upon.
Huh? Ralph, did you by any chance work for a government agency in the past? Your words sound like government double speak. If weights swing between point A and point B then they will be unsymetrical (and thus out of balance) at one or the other (probably both) points. So how can you say that they will probably be symmetrical orientated?
Ralph wrote:There are how ever ways (In my thinking) to negate this problem and that is if the vortex of the weight/s is allowed to change its axis, or the pivot point comes from, physically in, on, or around the axis of the wheel axle.
Golly Ralph, I don't think there is any problem, all you need do is let the weights change their locations on the wheel! And the very easiest way is to let them swing from one location to another location. Trying to move the vortex/pivot point is doing things the hard way.
