Gravity is only a theory ...

[Oystein]

After working with this kind of stuff for some considerable time, I started to be able to notice how everybody is scared of even remotely shake the consensus of universal balance.

So here we can see a physicist teacher write about creation of energy: (Or rather twists, turn and crawl to shake as little as possible of the CoE Law. Somehow it looks a little strange...)

“Quantum mechanics states that, on a very, very tiny scale and for very, very, very short lengths of time, energy can spontaneously be created and then destroyed.�

But CoE must be universal, or it can't be a Law! (Energy can NEVER be created nor destroyed, only be converted).

Later I read about a new discovery about how the human muscles work.

CoE say that it's not possible, but a human muscle CREATES energy when it contract, and consumes the energy when it relaxes afterwards.

This time not tiny tiny tiny and very very very short time, but this time milliseconds.. (I know that there are many biological and chemical processes involved and the full equation would be complex, but that is also the answer from science. To complex to discuss.)

Again it looks like at some levels energy can be created and destroyed at different times. This is NOT what CoE say. It say that energy is always constant, only converted. Under NO circumstances, first created, then destroyed. That is the actual purpose of the law itself..

But of course such a basic law can never change, it will make so many other theories collapse..Like relativity, that is purely built from CoE.

At the moment, this is only food for thought...but I am certain that an answer will one day be found in what is discussed here.. and Bessler will hopefully later be one of the pioneers credited for the paradigm shift.

[Fletcher]

In my society we have something similar to the Law of Jante. We call it the 'tall poppy' syndrome. But it is more pervasive than just that, much like your Law. So it seems this is a universal human condition in society.

A functioning modern western society needs lots of good honest hard working honey bees, drones that go to work each day, paying their taxes and their mortgages on their houses in the burbs, raising their children, without question. And if they do not like their life too much, at least they don't complain to much either, and so society prospers by the collective cooperative mentality of the masses who are somewhat average and conditioned to avoid confrontational thinking and actions. And they in turn instill the same values and beliefs into the next brood of worker bee generations to prop the facade up. The altruistic gene that ensures the greater need of the many outweighs the needs of the one or few. And in return we feel worth and protection in numbers.

At the same time we as humans are also conditioned to look for symmetries and patterns in everything. In fact it is an innate tendency I believe. There must have been an evolutionary advantage for our distant ancestors to have such a tendency. And it must still be prevalent today, perhaps to value order (of any type and mundaneness) over chaos.

As far as Finsrud's machine, and Besslers for that matter, or anyone that claims a PMM or an OU device etc, then I need to see it doing prolonged work (that might just be covering frictional losses). I need to see for myself the explanation of how it works and then compare that to the physical device to satisfy myself that what we are seeing is in fact real. I am quite willing and able to accept the 'unimaginable' because I have some knowledge of Physics including Quantum Mechanics, even if I don't understand all the detail of every hypothesis.

I also know that I innately 'prefer' symmetry over non-symmetry, from finding more symmetrical faces more attractive etc, to seeing patterns in clouds. Part of that persuasion is a certain affinity with the math that describes our physics of our world, because it has symmetry, so it is more comfortable for me to accept this as the default position and probable fact at the minute. Whilst I hold on to that 'belief' I am simultaneously ready to drop it in an instant, once a non-symmetric counter proposal is shown to be true.

But I also believe that it would only show a greater symmetry not yet fully understood or revealed - go figga.

[Oystein]

Fletcher, you make sense.

Here is a great article that describes the battle between Quantum Mechanics and Relativity, where the final truth is described as something that probably will be found in a mixture of both.

http://nautil.us/issue/29/scaling/will- ... relativity

The most fundamental differences I see between the two, is the property of "empty space". Where one describe space as chunks of energy (creation and destruction of energy). And the other say that space is literally nothing.

[raj]

I just watched Finrud device video for the first time, and I can say I see NO fraud in the demonstration.

I can easily follow the mechanical principles involved in this invention.

I have watched this 3 min video only once and this is what I have seen:

1. A heavy metal sphere rolling on the rim of a circular horizontal wheel, passing and pressing over the upper arm of one of the three pendulums pivoting underneath the wheel, every 120 degrees, thereby making each pendulum swing and slightly pushing back sphere alternately for continued rolling of sphere.

It is the mechanical principle I have been searching all the time: Simply '' you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'' principle between two separate motions. " You push me and I'll push you back or action and reaction.''

I am applying the same mechanical principle in my Auto Hamster Gravity Wheel Concept.

Raj

[preoccupied]

I don't think that quantum mechanics allows particles to be created and destroyed. Where did you hear that? Electrons are rotating on their gravity or energy and the reason that they pop in and out of other paths they can rotate on is because of their charge; the gravity has a charge and pulls the electron into place, it just appears to happen instantly because it's going really fast, maybe the maximum speed that it can go. The small particles move around strangely, because just like the Planets in our solar system move around strangely. It took a very long time to calculate where all of the planets in our solar system were and it required calculating other sources of gravity so the same sort of rigor would have to go into predicting every action in a small setting of electrons. It would be very difficult and not very relevant to our technology that we use today because we use probability.

[Oystein]

Preoccupied:

I don't think that quantum mechanics allows particles to be created and destroyed. Where did you hear that?

Quantum mechanics states that, on a very, very tiny scale and for very, very, very short lengths of time, energy can be spontaneously be created and destroyed. Kind of like boiling water, where bubbles spontaneously appear and burst, energy - in the form of particles - can spontaneously appear from the void of spacetime, exist for a tremendously short amount of time, and disappear again.

Kelly Chipps
Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Physics
Colorado School of Mines

Brian Skinner, a physicist who specializes in the theory of strongly-interacting many-body systems, currently a postdoctoral researcher at MIT is in agreement. Energy does appear spontaneously at the "quantum level":

"the vacuum itself has random and indelible fluctuations, and sometimes their influence can be felt by the way they kick around real particles.
That, in essence, is a quantum field: the stuff out of which everything is made. It’s a boiling sea of random fluctuations, on top of which you can create quantized propagating waves that we call particles.

Brian Skinner

Again, none of this is described or allowed in Relativity, where this quantum field is simply empty.

[Furcurequs]

The only problem I see with that is there doesn't appear to be any means of harnessing such radiant/heat energy visible on Finsrud's device...

A generated thermal airflow inside the cabinet might be sufficient to drive the few milliwatts mechanism through direct interaction with the ball and/or pendulums. Such input would be invisible and difficult to measure.

I still have a Crooke's radiometer that I bought when I was probably a teenager. Amazingly for me I've somehow managed to not break it in the nearly four decades I've had it.

Anyway, the thing seems to require a great deal of directed radiant energy to get the vanes moving very quickly, and of course we're not talking very much mechanical energy even then. ...and the thing is actually designed specifically to harness radiant heat energy and make use of the generated rarefied air flow happening inside of it.

I also remember seeing when I was a kid a lamp that had vanes right above the hot light bulb so that they could harness the hot rising air from around the bulb to spin a cylinder with diagonal slots in it. The moving light and shadows cast by that spinning cylinder, then, onto an outer shade with a roadway scene printed on it gave the illusion of a vehicle moving down the road.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that to generate and/or harness a significant enough air flow to keep a near 1 kg metal ball rolling around a track and/or keep fairly massive pendulums swinging would probably require some sort of specifically designed mechanism that I just don't see in Finsrud's device.

If he had the means and mechanisms to generate and harness a sufficient thermal air flow to power his device somehow hidden on it (while in plain sight) or somehow within it, I think I would be just about as impressed by that as if he had a true perpetual motion machine.

In other words, I don't believe that what you've suggested would be as easy to do as one might think. To harness energy from very low velocity air convection currents would probably require very low mass and high surface area components. ...and I don't see that in Finsrud's device.

...and to generate greater thermal air flows would probably require dark surfaces that I'm not seeing and much greater radiant heat directed at them than what we would have from simple lighting alone.

To insist that the thing be powered by the lights, then, hidden solar cells and an electromagnetic device might be a better option.

I still think hidden batteries and an electromagnet or even just a plain motor are by far the most likely things we will find with a thorough investigation, though. Heck, batteries could perhaps even be hidden in that brass dome on top so that they could be easily accessible when no one besides Finsrud is around to see them being swapped out.

[Oystein]

It is proper to believe that batteries can both be applied and be changed after closing hours. But have you got any idea why it also stops when he has visitors then? Wouldn't you think that to plan regular battery change in your world famous PM machine would be a rather simple task to arrange? And why didn't he have to put new batteries in to start it again when the visitors was there? They saw only that he cleaned the track and the ball from a layer of metal and dust compound that builds up..

There is something else going on..

[Furcurequs]

When Finsrud's device is in operation, it seems to be a tuned and synchronized system consisting mainly of swinging pendulums on the outside of the pedestal, a circling central conical pendulum on the inside of the pedestal (if we accept the description of a central pendulum without seeing it), a wobbling circular track on the top of the conical pendulum and pedestal and, of course, the rolling ball on the track itself - with the additional levers, then, even helping to keep things in sync.

The additional magnets over the track could easily provide a mechanical pulse that can be transmitted to whatever power source there is probably hidden inside to trigger measured energy pulses into the system. This, of course, synchronizes the power pulses of the hidden supply with the tuned oscillating system.

If you are familiar with the old style pendulum clocks, the escapement allows for measured power pulses to be applied to the pendulum at a specific point (or points?) in its swing.

Although the wound spring that stores the energy to power the pendulum and clock movement has enough stored energy to keep everything running for quite some time, that doesn't mean that the clock can start from a stopped position on its own or can't be stopped and started again manually.

One doesn't have to mess directly with the wound spring at all (if it is still sufficiently wound, of course) to start and/or stop the swinging pendulum in these old clocks.

In Finsrud's device, then, there is likely just a measured pulse of power into the tuned system when triggered at certain points in its operation by the rolling ball (most likely) or other cyclically moving parts of the system..

Think of a Pez dispenser. You only get one piece of candy per cock of the cartoon character's (or whatever's) head.

There is NOTHING about the behavior of Finsrud's device, then, that would be mysterious if one just assumes a hoax and a hidden power source. The behavior is EXACTLY as I would expect, even.

What I've explained should answer most of your questions.

If the trigger for an internal power source is actually mechanical, having lots of people milling about could possibly cause vibrations that might throw it out of sync and bring it to a stop. ...or vibrations could possibly even throw other parts of the tuned system out of sync and bring it to a stop.

It wouldn't, then, be solely a matter of whether the batteries were drained or not. So, it would be quite easy to start the device up again if it didn't stop due to dead batteries.

[Oystein]

Why would you then build a stopping fake perpetual motion machine? This is your idea, not his remember.

If you have a stable supply of "fake" power it should be very simple to make it run stable..

[Furcurequs]

To be honest, I'd have to say to confuse people like yourself.

...lol

I suspect, though, that Finsrud didn't design it to actually stop in front of people. That's probably just one of the natural consequences of having designed such a "busy" kinetic sculpture that has so many separate components that need to be synchronized. They seem to be all rather loosely coupled.

Maybe you need to play around with an old pendulum clock. You can stop it and then start it again at any time.

[Oystein]

Grats. Now you have solved and proven Finsruds secret, what was Besslers secret supply of fake power?

Seriously, I don't believe these guys spend their life like children faking cheap shit, throwing their intellect and pride in the garbage..while they actually spend their life proving to be true geniuses. A genius would not sink to that level..

There is a saying: "it takes one to know one" lol

Seriously:
The guys you think of, you find in dirty jeans on youtube or jerks speaking like salesmen telling how the black box is magic, and how they would like investors and pre-orders. You don't find them in a prince's castle or in a prominent gallery, doing deep technical discussions with any visitor for decades, never doing anything suspicious, and having long discussion with local university professors or the worlds smartest mathematicians and philosophers, writing public reviews or making official statues of our belowed KING, Sorry, it must be that some types of people are different. Some are of that kind while others are simply not. If Finsrud was of that other kind, he would not done all the other things he do and have done all his life. And it is ALOT. I suspect you have no clue about it?. Finsrud compare himself to da Vinci and surely wants to be remembered as that not a silly fake. He says that he works all day, every day and only sleeps 4 hours a day just to get the experience and knowledge of 2,5 of you and me. He is not putting AA batteries in a silly sculpture, sorry. This would not be in da Vincis spirit at all. Not a way to be remembered for someone living to outdo every great artist. (But you sound like you are familiar with everything of his, since you even can claim you know he is a fake and how?).

Finsruds statue of our old Norwegian King Olav:

The Peolple-king saluting with his hat:
https://i2.wp.com/farm3.static.flickr.c ... fdd007.jpg

Typical work of a AA-battery Perpetual Motion Machine faker?

[eccentrically1]

If it isn't fake, why keep it inside a giant vault for twenty years, for fear some might try to suppress it? Why not do the right thing and let the people have it to copy and enjoy free energy?

This is the clip from his website, the action starts around 2 minutes in:

http://www.mbandf.com/parallel-world/re ... nstoppable

What difference does it make where the energy comes from, if it's free? Save the world already!

[WaltzCee]

At the moment, this is only food for thought...but I am certain that an answer will one day be found in what is discussed here.. and Bessler will hopefully later be one of the pioneers credited for the paradigm shift.

No. Not so, my diminutive stogie smoking diapered daper el chapo. You too are in that mix. You're causing this shift.

“Quantum mechanics states that, on a very, very tiny scale and for very, very, very short lengths of time, energy can spontaneously be created and then destroyed.�

But CoE must be universal, or it can't be a Law! (Energy can NEVER be created nor destroyed, only be converted).

This thing you're saying needs to be said more and more. If something is falsified then it isn't true. It may only be false 1 out of a bazillion times yet that one instance causes it not to be so.

It lacks perfection.

[sleepy]

I was a frustrated worker drone for many years.Had no choice if I wanted to supply my family with a house and food etc.Some of the smartest, toughest, kindest people I have known have had to hunker down and do crappy manual labor for their entire lives in order to take care of families that were not always planned.I am currently sitting here in dirty pants, contemplating how to best combat and prevent the wave of violence that seems to be taking over our planet.I think a key to a peaceful and prosperous future for all is to stop making and buying into absurd generalizations that build more walls than they tear down.I understand having pride in your country and countryfolk, but not at the expense of ,or belittling of any one else.