I have a working device.

[Michael]

Hi Jim,

What about your own wheel. Have you put it aside for the moment?

Sincerely,

Michael

[jim_mich]

Michael,

I have not been able to get my own wheel to work. But there are similarities between both. Each wheel I build teaches me something! I keep hoping that I'll eventually learn enough to be able to design and build working wheels at will.

[Michael]

Hi Joel,

Sounds good, but what's really funny is how certain people think it's potentialy evil.

Regards,

Michael

[etjoe]

Maybe we should have a poll:
[] Currently working on a wheel
[] Currently working on a spell to make a wheel perpetual
[] Currently praying for an idea of some sort

-e

[odysseyus]

Hi Ovyyus,

Which one in particular do you refer to

I'm refering to

NOTHING other than these parts cause the rotation

Tommy K

I'm assuming he means, not one part more and not one part less, connected properly in the right manner will rotate. I also assume not one of his parts pictured has been made to mislead and/or confuse.

"Potentual fraud" ......potentual meaning:
Which may act or be, but does not act or exist now.

[Tausen]

hehe ...

I like etjoe's poll


T.

[rounder]

i think people should think of the posibilitys that there are, there are many ,perfect balance inside the wheel that is not so perfect if on an angle and balaced to be unbalanced, or even a wheel that has a chain around the center hub attached to a smaller chain drivin cirlce that would just hang and be weighted so it would turn much faster than the bigger wheel ,or even just a simple path for the weights to follow that would not let them fall . a dead weight is just that . i think all it needs is a device to make the weight never rest always on the move unbalanced to be a type of balance but not balanced . fast and faster.

[scott]

I like etjoe's poll

Then why don't you or etjoe conduct it? It's very easy. Just fill out the form when you post...
-Scott

[rounder]

[rounder]

heres something i designed i have no clue if it would work i think not but who knows the othere one above is a picture bessler drew in his book

[Oxygon]

pretty... ;)

Seriously though people why must every little chicken scratch be a mysterious device?...

[ovyyus]

Hi odysseyus,

I've come across many claims over the years not unlike TommyK's. I expect to encounter more.

a) Some claimants are outright frauds looking to take you for a buck. b) Some are 'true believers' utterly convinced by their own unworkable theory. c) Some seek attention. d) Some are insane. Figuring out who is what is sometimes difficult.

Demonstration is the ultimate arguement winner. IMO, it's that simple.

TommyK will fail to demonstrate that his device works as he claims. Not because he wants to keep it secret, but rather because he is wrong. If TommyK had a working device, he could prove it. But he can't because he is wrong - again! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[jim_mich]

ovyyus,

How can you be so absolutley certain TommyK is wrong? It is this type of flaming others that I find unsettling. You have already judged his wheel without really knowing what it is he has. How can you be so self rightious in thinking he is wrong and you are right? Lets be a little more polite, OK?

[Oxygon]

If TommyK had a working device, he could prove it. But he can't because he is wrong - again! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

;|

I don't really have a bad oppinion of tommyk but, jeez...

Maybe he is testing the responce... in which case it would seem he can conclude this wouldn't be the place... "of all places" to enter into some decent discussion...

Rather, So many have out-right attacked him immediately and he already has been given a "fraud" status...

hmm...

;| ... Of all places...

[odysseyus]

Ovyyus,

His statement sums it up quiet well

I'm not interested in fame, book deals, news-rights or anything other than COLD HARD CASH

"Desperation in the raw" say no more!


Seems to me, Georg might have in his possession an actual working wheel, I'm not certain at this stage although I can tell he's very sincere.