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[Grimer]

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[Grimer]

Curtis .. could be plz explain how it is supposed to work in detail ?

N.B. Storksbills can be replace with pneumatics or dual radius pulleys & rope, or light chain & sprockets for example.

Looking back through the thread I see that you were the first to draw attention to mechanisms equivalent to the storksbill.

I must admit that the illustration of storksbills in the form of lazy tongs always put me off as they seemed so terribly inefficient. compared to the alternatives you outline.

[Unbalanced]

Grimer Wrote:

I must admit that the illustration of storksbills in the form of lazy tongs always put me off as they seemed so terribly inefficient.

Stork bills are labor intensive to make and have many potential points of friction and failure but there exist a "rule of squares" that I am not familiar enough with to expound on but it boils down to a great throw per small input distance.

[Unbalanced]

Further to my second illustration that I have called the Toy Wheel but I prefer to be so presumptuous as to rename it Bessler's Wheel in the future.

Rods are used for their ability to bend and limited friction. I am using brass rods as they are quite elastic, low friction, nonferrous and in keeping with 1717 materials that endure. Besides it looks cool.

Experimentation with weight quantities, rod travel, throw distances, diameter etc will determine much.

The coincidences with this configuration and the clues are many.

(paraphrasing)

It is very simple.
Weights act in pairs
Weights rise at unimaginable speed
Weights gravitate to the center and then travel to the rim
Weights gain force by their swinging

I could go on but I am going back to work.

Side note:

These arms must not be constrained from the Z-axis in their mounts. The wheels must articulate to accommodate the compound curve these rods will describe. When at speed these rods will appear like a low frequency wave form. Weight travel will decrease with speed.

Shift is equatorial,

force from lower quadrant

Side Note II:

There are certain things like breathing, heavier than air flight etc. that are unpatentable. You might succeed at first but you will live a miserable life in constant defense of your rights, and your and your family's lives. You will require guards and escorts as will your family. You'll be seen as (less than the best) for cornering the market on something that alleviates or abolishes the root cause of 90% of the ills of the World.

Take Bill Gates who was a classmate. All the wealth in the world does not bring a better existence just a vastly more complicated one.

If you're in this for the profit, decide now how much is enough.

I am being as free as I am able and as honest as I am able in the information I believe will most likely get this wheel rolling.

I am going complete open source from here onwards. There are a thousand people potentially watching but soon the whole world will be watching and when you have the attention and love of the world all things will come to you. $11,000,000. ought to do it for me that's what Bill's said he's leaving his daughter.

Bill Gates Warren Buffit and others have vowed to give it all away in their lifetimes. The research they're funding is primarily "In the belief that all people should be able to live healthy productive lives."

I could make $50 Billion and more with a runner supplying excess force but how much more efficient would it be just to give it directly to the people.

When a wheel is as simple as the Toy Wheel truly "any carpenters boy" in every village in the world could build it.

If we all keep our A-List material private, we go as all have gone before us except JB, nowhere. The power represented by the minds present in this forum is exponentially the greatest single tool man has ever had the good fortune to have at his disposal. The only way to take full advantage of that fact is to provide the best accurate information and ideas that may occur to us.

This thread started with a question Who is... The real question is, Who are we.

Back to the build Gentleman sorry for being so verbose

[Ealadha]

If we could find out where Johann Bessler is living in this life and pay him the money .

[Unbalanced]

Further comments on the Toy Wheel

My illustration is out of proportion. The wheels that the 80# weights are riding on should be of a greater diameter proportionately.

I mentioned that these rods should not be constrained in the Z-axis but I really meant to say they should be limited but not entirely constrained in the Z-axis. The risk of collision near the axis may be a factor in a completely unrestrained system.

I may have said that there is no weight on the ascending side. What I should have said is there is no unbalanced weight much above the equator on the ascending side.

All of the MTs that show a rim-pivoted, full diameter arm (as have been incorporated in the Toy Wheel) show tapered arms. This is to facilitate the bending of these rods.

In the Toy Wheel, this slight bending of the rods is advantageous to the free, rapid movement of the weighted cars.

I will be so bold as to state as fact: That it is advantageous for mass transfer within a rotating framework to describe a curved path in reference to that framework. In other words, avoid straight-line paths within you wheels. I am missing the mark here. I know what I mean but can not find the correct phrasing. jai-alai cestas (the wicker baskets worn on the right hand) are curved for a good reason.

I apologize for stating the obvious but I must consider that these statements may not be obvious to everyone nor even considered true by the majority.

There are several children's toys that utilize this expanding V lever system.

One is a steel ball that rolls up hill on steel rails as one end of the rails are spread the other are as Grimer mentioned, areal toys on string or cable.

We can lift mass 4X vertical with 1X horizontal.

Other levers allow for 1X4 lift but not with the resulting vertical componant (distance) afforded by this particular expanding V configuration.

[Unbalanced]

Further comments on the Toy Wheel

My illustration is out of proportion. The wheels that the 80# weights are riding on should be of a greater diameter proportionately and multiple wheels per car may advantageous.

My illustration shows only two-rail-pair systems for the sake of clarity but a four or greater rail-pair configuration would be advantageous.

I mentioned that these rods should not be constrained in the Z-axis but I really meant to say they should be limited but not entirely constrained in the Z-axis. The risk of collision near the axis may be a factor in a completely unrestrained system. The bars will be spread in the X-Y and Z axis simultaneously. All increasing the angle of the bars resulting in the movement of the weighted car. In other words this configuration represents the most direct and efficient means of harnessing precession to shift mass. The bars should be allowed to be spread in every axis. In this manner precessive force and gravity work together to shift mass.

I may have said that there is no weight on the ascending side. What I should have said is there is no unbalanced weight much above the equator on the ascending side.

All of the MTs that show a rim-pivoted, full diameter arm (as have been incorporated in the Toy Wheel) show tapered arms. This is to facilitate the bending of these rods.

In the Toy Wheel, this slight bending of the rods is advantageous to the free, rapid movement of the weighted cars.

I will be so bold as to state as fact: That it is advantageous for mass transfer within a rotating framework to describe a curved path in reference to that framework. In other words, avoid straight-line paths within you wheels. I am missing the mark here. I know what I mean but can not find the correct phrasing. jai-alai cestas (the wicker baskets worn on the right hand) are curved for a good reason.

I apologize for stating the obvious but I must consider that these statements may not be obvious to everyone nor even considered true by the majority.

There are several children's toys that utilize this expanding V lever system.

One is a steel ball that rolls up hill on steel rails as one end of the rails are spread the other are as Grimer mentioned, areal toys on string or cable.

We can lift mass 4X vertical with 1X horizontal.

Other levers allow for 1X4 lift but not with the resulting vertical component (distance) afforded by this particular expanding V configuration.

The Shoot the Moon Game works on a different principle but is used here to illustrate the concept.

[Unbalanced]

This is a photo of a typical backstay tensioning device on a sailboat. I post it here to illustrate the car devise with multiple wheels. This is an extremely efficient method for bowing astern the top of a mast which tensions the forestay and in turn, the leading edge of a genoa sail and places depth into the body of the mainsail i.e. lowers the mainsails aspect ratio, a desirable effect in low wind conditions.

[path_finder]

Dear Unbalanced,
Congratulation for your clever design justifying the particular use of the storksbills.
Instead the name 'storksbill' I may prefer 'nutscracker' which seems to me more close from your purpose.
What is strange are the different designs of the nutscracker, depending on the country you are living.
In australia it seems to be like that: http://www.nutcrackermuseum.com/images/ ... C_004F.JPG (posted by DrWhat).
In France we use almost this model: http://www.prixusine.fr/images/Upload/P ... 00_000.jpg
Therefore is it amazing how an 'anglo-saxon' (in french) could have found easily the analogy. Did you have a stay in europe?
But it is just some semantics.
IMHO the most important point of your explanation is still the principle of gyroscopic precession applied to the gravitic wheel.
This is one of the available source of energy for our common quest, your suggestion being welcome.

Now as usual the most difficult will be an excellent practical building.
For the rotation axle of your 'C' weights I dont think the 'torsion bars' could be the best solution.
Inside a car the torsion bars rotating ends are not free, they are attached to the geometry of the wheels pair.
In the gravitic wheel each one should be independent of their neighbors and free in the air. On the other hand a short 'torsion bar' is irrelevant.
In addition a 'torsion bar' don't give any noise when released, what is not in accordance with the nature of the springs used by Bessler.
I don't know how you have investigated your final design but a simple tilting mechanism at the end of each rod could be more useful in the first approach.

Anyway, if it would be possible I should have given to you TWO green dots.
Thus one for the moment, and the second one (virtual) for sharing your studies.

[Unbalanced]

Thanks Path_finder,

I like the Nutcracker moniker.

I have spent many fine months in your hemisphere. Most recently I moved my family to Guernsey, British Channel Islands to raise a sunken sailing ship which we restored to a seaworthy state and sailed for nearly a decade all about the globe as home and business. This was the Unicorn of St. Helier, Jersey. 'Einhorn' originally of Horne, Netherlands Photo attached.

I forgot the rest of this dialogue... Oh yes! the linkage of the precession wheel mech. I apologize, I got lazy and fell down on the job and through the orange lines 'D' in to show that there was linkage but in no way necessarily the most effective or efficient means

Thanks for the virtual Greenie. Kind thought.

[Grimer]

Check out this Eric Laithwaite video, specifically 2-minutes in, to 3-minutes in. This is a fine example of the force of precession. Notice the wobble is top and bottom not side to side after Eric induces a gentle shake to the frame. This is a unique gyro he built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRCq3wLMfIM

Has anyone noticed?

Laithwaite's device displays chirality, or handedness.

Dearie me. Old Bessler seems to have discovered electromagnetism before the others, albeit on the engineering scale.

I never could understand why the right-hand-rule wasn't the left-hand-rule. It seemed so arbitrary. Years ago I took this point up over lunch with a lecturer at Surrey Uni. I said I believed that the right angle interaction of E and M was a mathematician's fancy and that those circles we all learned about in elementary physics must really be successive loops of a tight spiral. He got very animated and said something about an electron being carried around a wire and showing an anomalous behaviour.

Well, it would wouldn't it.

[Unbalanced]

Great observation Grimer:

This figure is chiral, as it is not identical to its mirror image from either axis:
> > > > > > > > > > or < < < < < < < < < <
> > > > > > > > > > < < < < < < < < < <

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(mathematics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule

Perhaps we will slay this dragon on this unique date: 1-11-11

[Grimer]

With George in the wheel there's every chance.

[nicbordeaux]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GCR12Cvhrk

[Grimer]

Good one Nic.


St George on one end - dragon on the other.

Effective demo of chirality and the jerk-acceleration interaction. Simpler to set up than Eric's too.