a rebel without a crew

[getterdone]

Hi guys, I'd like to thank both of you for your advice.

I realised some time ago that trying to shift weights to make the positive side of the wheel heavier was an exercise in futility.

Once I came to that conclusion, all that was left was designs that attempted to make the negative side lighter. Moving the weights closer to the axle to make the backside lighter isn't of much use cause at some point you have to lift up again. With that in mind, all that's left is using the axle to remove weight on the negative side, then having the full affect of the weight on the positive side.

I took a picture of the guide lever to make what I'm talking about a bit clearer.

The small white rollers go over the lip at the bottom of the C-track, and then lift it off the perimeter at the 6 o'clock position.

There will be more levers, and I'll explain how they work together, and there purpose as I build. (the c-track isn't finished either)

Jim, I think that Aldo Costa already has a patent on that one

[Ed]

Though I was like Bessler searching for a gravity solution, [IMHO] the solution [will] turned [sic] out to not involve gravity.

[triplock]

Jim
You talk in the past tense, in terms of discovery. I like that arrogance.

I agree that the answer is not a gravity power wheel now, although you can't switch it's influence off of course; only nullify it's impact through balance.
Furthermore I don't believe that CF brings anything positive to the table either, in the regards that it is not harnessable and redirectable. It's effects are just intentionally limited.
Also, I don't believe that PM is created thru impact to create a subtle blend of energy exchange.
The mechanism, IMHO, is simple as it is brutally mechanical.

Chris

[daanopperman]

Hi all ,
I am sure jim_mich does not need someone to defend his ideas , but to say CF cannot drive a wheel is IMO not correct , CF could be the prime mover . It can be switched on and off in the blink of an eye . The old clocks working with a desscending weight , say 500 g , lifted 1 m every 12 hours , giving a " kick " to the swinging pendulum , lets say the pendulum counts seconds , that would be 43200 of them , that shows that the kick is 1/43200 th of the lost PE per kick to keep the pendulum return to original swing height . In the following drwng is a red pendulum doing full swing , 360 deg , it's weight is 1 kg . It's pivot is connected to a second pendulum bob of 3 kg weight , of which pivot is connected to a ratchet on the wheel axel as in MT 51 . The blue dot is a stopper attached to a weight as in MT 13 , this is to stop the black pend. from going down to keeling where it will lose its G. potential . The red pend. is connected to the axel of the wheel which drives it by what means ever . We know that a swining pendulum will pull 4 G's at 6 , maybe little less at 12 , but it should , by CF lift the 3 kg weight off the blue stopper when reaching 12 , as it pass 12 it will slam the black pendu. back down on the blue stopper and add downward push with gravity to turn the wheel axel via the ratchet . The CF was redirected from up to down in a flash . This could be done with weights or springs . All weight will then be on one side of the wheel , as JB said , one side empty , one side full , as it should be . Will there be enough energy to reset lost energy

[murilo]

One of my early attempts at controlling CF:


Note that the red lines are red rubber band springs.
Also note that I was attempting to harness gravity.
This led me to spend a couple years writing Visual Basic computer programs somewhat like I used to produce this animation, but where I actually calculated all the forces and produced visual graphs of the forces.
It was from that early research that I eventually discovered the necessary motions needed by weights to cause perpetual rotation.

Though I was like Bessler searching for a gravity solution, the solution turned out to not involve gravity.

Tell me about this...

[sequeen]

Jim
What is the name of this simulator?
There is no rubber band function in WM2D.
Looks good. Did you programmed this?
SK

[getterdone]

Hi Daan, I find your post very interesting. I've worked with some ratcheting type devices, Mostly just having the main lever fall and lock, stretching a spring that would be used to pull the wheel forward.

So , if I understand correctly, the stopper rocks back and forward, like in MT 13 .

[jim_mich]

Sequeen,

What you see was programed in Visual Basic and was simply an animation of the concept. I then programmed it in WM2D, which does have springs which can simulate rubber bands. After that I went back and used Visual Basic to do calculations of CF and other forces, including gravity. I had problems calculating complex inertial systems involving multiple moving inter-connected weights using Visual Basic. It gets very complex. And the code stretched to many pages.

Then my computer crashed, and I lost my Visual Basic Professional installation. I was able to save all my VB code from the crashed computer. But I could not reload the VB program because it was an upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade of the old original Quick Basic, dating back to the mid 1980's, and I had lost one of the floppy old disc, which even if I had it, I would not have been able to load because it was a 5-1/4" inch floppy, which is not on computers anymore.

A few years later I bought a full version of Visual Basic Pro. When I went to use it again I found I've forgotten much of the syntax. And for some reason the help files would not install properly on the computer.

But you really didn't need to know all this. I just included it so that more recent members would have a better concept of my past.

If you click on the animated picture, it will take you to the Bessler thread where it was originally posted.

[daanopperman]

Hi getterdone ,
No , the stopper is just to keep the main pend from falling down to 6 where it will do very little work on the axel , the only torque here will come from the osscalating motion from the small pendulum and the back torque from the ratchet . The blue stopper is connected to the swinging weight MT 13 to keep the main pend horizontal so it can lever on the ratchet , there would be no other connection where you can fix the stopper in that position for the pend arm to lie on .

[daanopperman]

Hi getterdone ,
Here is a small animation .

[rlortie]

How do you open a .wmv app? all I am seeing is a white screen and no live links to activate it.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

I couldn't open it either. I have the latest most up-to-date version of Firefox and my new Super-fast computer my son gave me for Christmas. It tells me I need a plug-in, and directs me to a link, which then says I need to manually install it. So I said screw that, and copied the forum link, opened Internet browser, which tried to modify my computer, probably by setting itself up as my default browser, which I told it no, then after I pasted the link, it finally loaded this forum page, and I could click to view and run the Movie_0002.wmv file. What a pain!!

Edit: OK, I now got the windows media player plugin installed for Firefox.
Fasted install I've ever seen. If any of you are getting a new computer, I recommend a solid-state hard drive. They are super fast. I have a search program on my computer and it searches my whole hard drive, looking for a word or phrase in any file, searching through gigabytes of data, and does it in less than a minute.

[daanopperman]

Hi all ,
Could anyone play the wmv file , I am sorry for any inconvenience , it was just to show the idea of the motion to getterdone , he was the only reply , I hope he got it .

[rlortie]

daanopperman

I could not find any link nor do I understand Jim's explanation of how he opened it.

"However" for some unknown explanation, after going back to your post a couple of times. MS Media Player picked up on it allowing me to view.

I did nothing to change it on my end. Just "all-of-sudden" it was there!

Ralph

[jim_mich]

If you are using Firefox, and if Firefox is unable to open any document, Firefox will (if you allow it, which is default) search the internet and install the needed plugin in the background. This can take a little time for Firefox to down load the needed plugin component and to then install the plugin. And sometimes it needs for you to close and re-open Firefox for the plugin to take effect.

I have told Firefox to NOT download or install any plugins without me telling Firefox to specifically do so. I want to be very sure that it only installs plugins that I want and that I determine to be safe.

Also, the file might need to fully load into your computer before it starts to play. If you have a slow connection or if the file is very large, it might take some time before it will start playing. My new computer waits for me to click the play button. My old computer would start playing as soon as the file was loaded, which would scare the daylights out of me because about that time I'm reading a more recent post at the bottom of the thread.