A theory about why the number five is so prominent in Johann Bessler's works.

[Fletcher]

overon .. a quick google search for .. Hebrew word for truth.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp ... ER_mBPwGYc

Is that consistent with your explanation ?

[ovaron]

My intention was to show that the 5, the pentagram, and the E may have a very different meaning than "5 mechanisms" (which, however, is the most likely for me as well)

[Georg Künstler]

Maybe it is worth to have a look to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_astronomical_clock


I don't know if Bessler has seen it, But I assume so.

and then the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

As a person familar with building clocks I think he was also in this interested.

[Johndoe2]

5 is also an intergal part in the calculation of phi. Which points back to the vesica picis ( which has already been established as part of besslers code).

[Senax]

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[Senax]

My intention was to show that the 5, the pentagram, and the E may have a very different meaning than "5 mechanisms" (which, however, is the most likely for me as well)

That attachment shows a satanic symbol for the goats head.

That's why the number 5 is so popular with Bessler.
He sold his soul to the devil for the secret of his wheel.

[Art]

Quote "He sold his soul to the devil for the secret of his wheel."

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Nope , - Tried it it didn't work out for me !

First problem I encountered was contacting Mr D evil.

After surfing around for ages the best I could do is come up with some of his Minions who claimed to have personal knowledge of Him .

When I tried to make a deal with them I had terrible trouble trying to get them to understand what perpetual motion was even !


But with heaps of patience I finally got through to them and they said "Oh I get it , no problem , - our Master has been round forever , he knows all about that ! ".

But then they seemed to think it unreasonable that I wanted proof (in the form of an actual device or a photo or video of said device with affidavits from either Himself or His Minions ). So I told them , 'Look , no evidence , No deal ' !

My conclusion was that Mr D evil doesn't know how to make a Perpetual Motion Machine ! . He would have had to obtain the information from Bessler since he was the first to have ever offered proof of such a thing !

It's obvious from his writings (Bessler's) that he gave Mr D evil the "heave ho " because didn't he say that one person couldn't translocate the Wheel from one set of bearings to another without removing weights because the Wheel weighed more than the devil on its own !

He wouldn't have known how heavy Mr D evil was unless he had thrown him out at some time or other .

In addition to that , didn't Bessler specifically address the question whether it came from the Devil or God with the poor gullible peasants of his day by assuring them that "they attacked not only the very basis of mathematical truth, but even the Godhead of the Lord Himself " !


I'm just wondering , Senax , have you or anyone else had any actual experimental success using these occult methods ? I think it all hinges on that !

Maybe my technique isn't up to scratch . Are there specific words I have to use to open up the connection channels ?. Is the inscribed circle I put around me and the device sufficent to stop accidental malware from getting through ? . Is there a recognised standard for doing this kind of work ?

[ME]

Let's try this

* On one side it is heavy and full; on the other empty and light, just as it should be.
* All the wise ones were looking for the same principle (of 'excess weight') that I have described, and they sought it in things that were already familiar to them.
* They sought to bring a wheel into a state of motion, such that, without the need for winding, its innate virtue would keep it revolving as long as its materials might last.
* by all intelligent people, who, with true understanding, have sought the Mobile in a place no different from that in which I eventually found it.[
* Weights acted in pairs
* Weights gained force from their own swinging (or movement).
* Weights came to be placed together, arranged one against another.

I was trying to say that, really, a man and a woman can't understand each other because we are a man and a woman.
And if we could actually swap each other's roles, if we could actually be in each other's place for a while, I think we'd both be very surprised! [Laughs]
And I think it would lead to a greater understanding. And really the only way I could think it could be done was either... you know, I thought a deal with the devil, you know.
And I thought, 'well, no, why not a deal with God!' You know, because in a way it's so much more powerful the whole idea of asking God to make a deal with you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Up_That_Hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM

[Senax]

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I'm just wondering , Senax , have you or anyone else had any actual experimental success using these occult methods ? I think it all hinges on that !

I don't use occult methods. I use NT as my manual, the rosary as my sword
and the scapular as my shield.

Like Trevor, I have Faith and Hope.

I fear I lack Charity to some members. 😉

[Johndoe2]

My intention was to show that the 5, the pentagram, and the E may have a very different meaning than "5 mechanisms" (which, however, is the most likely for me as well)

That attachment shows a satanic symbol for the goats head.

That's why the number 5 is so popular with Bessler.
He sold his soul to the devil for the secret of his wheel.

This is highly probable considering it appears ti have given him nothing but heaet ache grief and eventually death.

I wonder which cross roads he used to contact the devil snd if the devil has updated to a cell phone ??

[ovyyus]

Why does 'Faith and Hope' reduce objectivity?

[gravityman52]

His clue that there are no weights having from his axle what did that mean to you as a researcher ?

[Fletcher]

"by making the true claim - that no weights hang from the axle of my wheel" – AP pg 281

[Georg Künstler]

Bessler in wiki clues wrote:

by making the true claim - that no weights hang from the axle of my wheel" – AP pg 281

This is meaning that we have an intermediate object which is carrying the rolling cylinders.

This object is also rolling on the ground.
No axle is needed.

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