The application of Bessler’s Physics to Bessler’s problem!

[rlortie]

"and the machine would lose mass continually until it eventually disappeared."

Always wondered what happened to that runner I had, attached a mechanical counter to it and retired for the evening, next morning it was gone. The counter had went past it's max and started over again, it was laying on the shop floor.

All in fun of course!

Ralph

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Ralph,

please can you tell Daxwc that my quote is not exactly the same, as he is not listening to me!

Edit, Hi Ralph, I am open minded as to whether or not Energy can be destroyed, and I believe this is my right, I am currently working on two theory’s where this is a issue. I could see that the mention of this was going to waste 20hr of my time in a fruitless debate. Having my words and beliefs miss quoted and twisted, in my opinion is not a environment I wish to spend my leisure time. Hope you understand! With much respect Trevor Edit, spelling

thanks Ralph

With much respect Trevor


Edit, Hi Ralph, next time you build get it insured with the Conservation of Mass. lol
This is why you cannot quote on Physics, they change it and do not tell you!

[pequaide]

Whatford quote:

“if the moon is making tides anyway what differents does it make if take advantage of it.�

This is true, gravity is not used up. How is this different from a gravity wheel.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Pequaide,

I agree, the force is there if you use it or not, just like driving your car, you are moving mass in the Earths Gravitational field with rotating wheels! but that mass will disappear if you leave your keys in the ignition, lol

See Ralphs post!

With respect, Trevor

[daxwc]

Trevor:

please can you tell Daxwc that my quote is not exactly the same, as he is not listening to me!

Trevor this is your quote:

And for the record, I believe very strongly you cannot create energy, only transfer it!

This is exactly the same as this:

The conservation of energy is a fundamental concept of physics. Within some problem domain, the amount of energy remains constant and energy is neither created nor destroyed.

This why you cannot quote on Physics they change it and do not tell you!

LOL… next time Trevor, when somebody asks you if you believe in the Conservation of Energy, just reply "no!". Never mention "you cannot create energy, only transfer it", because you do believe in creating energy.

[daxwc]

Trevor:

I agree, the force is there if you use it or not, just like driving your car, you are moving mass in the Earths Gravitational field with rotating wheels! but that mass will disappear if you leave your keys in the ignition, lol

Yes, the mass is called gasoline. 8P

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Daxwc,

It is not, because the energy has a source and it is stealing energy, that being the rotational energy of the moon, which the moon will run out of because it has a limited supply. It is not making energy out of nothing or with gravity only.

You are half way there, why do you think after billion of years such a small mass would not of run out of motive force, do some quick sums and work out how much fluid is moved in a day x 365 x 5 billion do you honestly believe that was sustainable with out gravity doing any work.

Edit, Now apply The Theory Of Relativity, Job done!




Please understand I do not want to be connected with all of the physic involved with the conservation of energy, because I do not agree with it all, and is a conflict of my interests!

Regards Trevor

Edit, It was not what was driving the car it was the relationship of moving weights in a gravitational field!

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Daxwc,

if you abuse the quoting system any more I will have to act!

[daxwc]

Trevor Lyn Whatford

You are half way there, why do you think after billion of years such a small mass would not of run out of motive force, do some quick sums and work out how much fluid is moved in a day x 365 x 5 billion do you honestly believe that was sustainable with out gravity doing any work.

Yes I do; why not? It has already stopped the moons rotation, that took lots of energy. Now the moon's orbit is growing and earth’s rotation is slowing down because of the energy stealing. Tell me how much energy does it take to keep a child swinging steady after they get going?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Daxwc,


next time you ask a question do not hide it under a load of shit!

LOL… next time Trevor, when somebody asks you if you believe in the Conservation of Energy, just reply "no!". Never mention "you cannot create energy, only transfer it", because you do believe in creating energy.

Daxwc question,

So you believe in the conservation of energy, but not that gravity is a conservative force. That gravity is not getting any energy input, but it is doing work at a rate higher than its potential energy. Wouldn’t that make you a disbeliever in the Conservation of Energy?

[daxwc]

Trevor Lyn Whatford

if you abuse the quoting system any more I will have to act!

I thought you were acting through most of the thread; I was surprised to learn you weren’t. 8P

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

I would like to inform all Members that this is my last post on this forum!

I will be removing this forum link from my website forthwith as I feel I can no longer recommend this forum!

Yours sincerely, Trevor Lyn Whatford

[daxwc]

Trevor Lyn Whatford
Oh, come on Trevor I was only teasing at the end. I am sincerely sorry that you took that much offence and truly was trying to find your position before that. I was not the only member that has asked you about this contradiction in your ideology. People come here hopefully also to learn things; you can’t just make up physics and expect not have people call you out on it. I got sort of frustrated when it seemed you couldn’t comprehend my argument, in hindsight that displayed itself as trolling. You do come up with some awfully strange comments that have no bearing on reality and refuse to learn when people try to teach you, but that is probably no excuse for trying to pin you down on a comment.

Again sorry.

[ovyyus]

To clarify: IMO tides are caused by motion on earths surface in relation to moons trajectory or position. The moon like your magnet works against earth gravity. The field strength is moons gravity pulling against that of earth and motion becomes non-relevant for any given time.

If moon orbit and Earth rotation were locked at the same speed then the force of gravity would create a stationary tidal bulge in the ocean facing the moon.

While in this locked orbit/rotation state you would probably agree that no tidal work is being done because work = mass x displacement, IE; No water is being displaced across the face of the Earth (no tides).

However, if moon orbit and Earth rotation is not locked at the same speed (as is the present case) then the tidal bulge will be dragged across the face of the Earth and work will be done overcoming resistance to that movement. All that work moving the tidal bulge across the face of the Earth is payed for by the momentum of moon orbit and Earth rotation, which will slow over time.

While gravity does create the tidal bulge, it's not correct to state that gravity creates the tides. Momentum creates the tides.

[Dwylbtzle]

oh come on, trev, don't leave
reconsider, now, me bucko!

hey--MY stuff is still cool, right?

nobody'll be mean to you over in my thread
come on over there
c'mon...y'KNOW ya wanna!

fairies...
gold amalgam ferrofluids...
nobel prize winners...

it'll be fun

....well, shit....everyone takes everything so seriously
sheesh!...

trevor! come back!
wake up, laddie!
breathe!
(slap slap)
we don't wanna lose ya

i dunno
better let him sleep for awhile
maybe he just needs a break