Witness accounts of falling objects inside Bessler's wheel?

[sleepy]

Everyone is assuming a falling weight made the described sound.How about a weight being gently pushed to it's outermost position.It would make the same noise but makes more sense than a gently falling weight.

[raj]

Sleepy!
This is what I am striving to do in all my designs: the weight being taken to the uppermost position in time to give a gentle knock/pat on the rim of the wheel.

It seems an impossible task.

Raj

[eccentrically1]

Might want to look at the wheel acceleration thread, specially page 7... http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 1513#11513

that thread was funny, it went off on all the familiar tangents ( cf,wheel within a wheel, translations, what does "accordingly" mean, patents!, the drawings, blah, blah ) and no one ever addressed blue44 's question other than the wheel analysis on john's website that isn't there anymore that said 38 lbs. was what was necessary to produce that much acceleration. i'm not sure about dax's comment at the last there, it didn't get any feedback.

blue44's simulation couldn't do it until he set the weights to vanish, not just move inward, in the 6-9 quadrant.

What I did....I was only able to get about a half to 3/4 of a rotation, I timed that acceration and just did the basic math (probably not correctly). I was not able to really calculate all the probables. But, even with just this, it was very difficult to adjust the accending weights (position/mass) to a point where I could see reaching the desired rate of speed. Now, I used several designs basically similiar to some of the M.T. drawings and got the same result everytime...it just didn't add up by shifting the weights to the center on the accending side, it would not, by my calculations (remember, I'm a D.S.U. grad) attain that speed within the 2 to 3 revolutions. Now, by removing the weight in the 6:00 to 9:00 quadrant..turning the wheel clockwise...this can be accomplished. I mean it is one heck of a difference!

michael i think mentioned that springs might have been used to achieve that much acceleration, that seems like the only answer. bessler must have reset them manually.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi E1,

Blue 44, is a good member and plays it straight.

I am glad that his experiment matched my own experiment as mentioned on page 4, I could see the acceleration first hand, I could also see the dramatic deceleration first hand. With a 1/15th constant out of balance though there would be a very fast acceleration with a good rpm and a good useable torque.

Now comes the problem, just how do you make that weight disappear on the ascending side.

I am trying some possible solutions that I need to do more experiments with, I will not hold my breath because it is a battle I have lost so many time before, that is why I went for balanced wheels and tap the leverage of levers. To me each lever falling or rotating on a multi lever wheel becomes one of a number of out of balance wheels (out of balance weight falling ) on one wheel working for the good of the main wheel. It is all about efficiency. Time for me to bailout!

Edit, quick tidy up,

[AB Hammer]

Trevor Lyn Whatford

The reset has always been the pain of our hobby. If we can beat the reset problem we have the wheel, is the belief that keeps us building not to mention the prize. Sometimes it is best to sit back and reevaluate and ask. Are we trying to hard. A smooth action is always preferable to a jerky action but even Besslers wheel had hard hits in it. But where they a deception becomes the the question. Or is that where it got its power.

I have always enjoyed Blue 44 / Steve's work. Maybe he will post more often this new year.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Alan,

glad to see you are driving some of your wheels Now?

Most of my designs use a smooth energy transfer, some have no change in overall height with no fall.

Its this Bessler's wheel thing that leaves me scratching my head.

Back to topic, What you cannot do is have a weight free fall on the descending side because the weight is then disappearing from the wrong side of the wheel. This is why I like to think of making the ascending side lighter, move the weight there or from there.

Good luck Alan, for the happy new year, 2014 is this the year Bessler gets his.

[daxwc]

Trevor:

What you cannot do is have a weight free fall on the descending side because the weight is then disappearing from the wrong side of the wheel.

Just have an odd number of weights with free movement and the odd one falling or all of them including the one falling on the same side.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Daxwc,

Rolling weights and pivoting or swinging weights are better, but free falling weights take weight off the wheel until impact, and that impact is not worth the weights drop in height or advancement, if you look at most weight shift designs there is always more weights on the ascending side, thus you cannot afford to lose any weight on the descending side because it over weights the ascending side while in the weight is in free fall.