Build Updaye 1.0

[james.lindgard]

The pictures are of some work I did this morning. Basically what I did was to make a "wing box". Wing boxes are what the wings on an airplane are mounted to. It has to do with transferring force.
It took a few steps but was worth it. The 2 part epoxy I am using requires 24 hours to dry. At the same time, I have figured out most of the mechanics for the scissors. This is because they will need to work a certain way in order to transfer just like a wing box does. That or how the Wright Bros. controlled the twisting of the wings on their early airplanes. What the Wright Bros. did is much closer to what I will be doing but people dislike hearing I learned a lot from the Wright Bros. as I am from Dayton, Ohio and have worked for the Boeing Airplane Co. in Seattle, Wa.
I may make 8 squares to act as spacers for the 4 arms. One has a spacing of only about 3 1/2 inches while the other 3 have a spacing of about 4 inches which is what I wanted. Of course, if I only did the 2 opposing arms, then the wheel would remain "in balance".
And yes, one reason why I need even spacing is so I will know how much space I have to put both the scissors and the levers in. They will need to work together. And by having even spacing, then it will improve the alignment of the mechanics.

[james.lindgard]

When I do mount the wheel, it will be under what it's sitting on. I have started making the routing jig for the levers. Hopefully it will go a little more quickly now.

[james.lindgard]

Simple scissors. I will be making new ones as everything about this is learning what needs to be done and then learning how to do it. While scissors and levers are fairly simple, they do need tooling to make them. I'm getting better at that part of the fabrication process.
I am hoping to assemble the water riser pipe this weekend. It will be a unique design while also looking fairly simple. It's just that details do need to be right if I want this build to work.
There is one thing I might try with scissors one day. It would go along with what Bessler said about a Peacock's Tail. With what I am doing, it could be what he was referring to but at the moment, I do have my doubts.

With the scissors/levers shown, the top of the assembly will use a pulley so it can pull down on the long lever in it's middle. When finished, everyone will see how force is moved in a controlled manner. This will allow for 3 different levers to all apply their force in the same direction and at the same place so the bellow can be opened.

edited to add: I'll use pvc for the riser pipe. I would need a wood lathe to use wood. I might also post all of the math. It would be a step by dtep walk through of the entire perpetual process.

[james.lindgard]

@All,
I think I have 100% of Bessler's work figured out. The A.C. that I know, she's the inspiration behind the A.C. Bessler, I have asked her if she wants to do an atmospheric chemistry with me. If so, then I will return to working on Bessler once that is under way. And if she isn't interested in seeing if there is a problem in environmental science, once she lets me know, then I'll start work on my build again.

[james.lindgard]

With Bessler's wheel, there are a couple thngs to consider. What will help is to observe how much over balance is needed to rotate 2 opposing weights. This will similate how much a wheel weighs with 2 weights to operate levers.
An example is to take a 2x4 (5x10 cm's) and attach a 10 lb. (4kg) weight on each end. Have a bolt go through the center of the 2x4 so it can rotate. Nylon bushings can be used in the stand so it will rotate easier. This will give someone an idea of how much net force is needed.

With scissors, if A is lifted 2 inches (5 cm's), then B is lifted 4 inches (10 cm's). This means that C is lifted 8 inches (20 cm's). Because of how these scissors work, it should take 1.25 times the force to lift B to lift C. This is because of how the lever C-E is lifted. At 2, 3/4 of it's length is not being lifted. This means that C rises 1/3 more than 2. And until it is tested, it is worth considering.

With Bessler's wheel, the diagram has a right triangle showing 90° to the axle. If a weight's fulcrum and CoG both align with 90° to the axle, it is considered in balance. And as weight C is not 90° to the axle, the amount of imbalance it creates consumes over balance.
The 2 levers shown are all that is needed. They perform the same work as long levers while moving less. And if those levers are placed around the outside of a wheel, then it could have many pieces of lead around the outside of the wheel if many bellows are used.
And with bellows, pressure heads and hydraulic theory are what need to be considered such as how much load does a pressure head require to be lifted and how much force is necessary to expand/open a bellow.
A.C. told me to be nice :-)

with what I saw in the other thread where it's being questioned if Bessler referenced water. That's kind of sad. Of course it is possible that no one knows what a manual well pump looks like or how they work. Kind of why I'll quit posting in here. I tend to disrupt this forum by building.

[ME]

with what I saw in the other thread where it's being questioned if Bessler referenced water. That's kind of sad. Of course it is possible that no one knows what a manual well pump looks like or how they work. Kind of why I'll quit posting in here. I tend to disrupt this forum by building.

Sometimes things are the same or different for the right or the wrong reasons (in all four combinations).
It's possible a mechanism works with water just the same as it would macro-mechanically. Perhaps it's easier to build with water because things auto-levels and deforms inside a container, perhaps it's more difficult because it deforms, needs to be kept contained and auto-levels.
Basically: who cares as long as it works, there will be other people who can translate one kind of mechanism to some other form afterwards.

I just like following those builds, whichever kind.

A.C. told me to be nice :-)

Whoever she is, she's right.

[james.lindgard]

M.E.,
When water is drawn into the pipe connecting 2 bellows, there is no counter weight to the water that fills the top bellow. This is the beauty of water.

A.C. is someone who's listened to me as I've suffered through my medical hardship. She's been a blessing. And she's kind of an inspiration as well :-)

[james.lindgard]

I've been working on the rims. The picture shows the parts being laid out.
I have some more work to do before I route the rims and then mount them.

[james.lindgard]

I like this Quote of the Day

"They deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth."
- Plato, philosopher (427-347 BCE)

What I like about using short levers is that when 2 work together, only one creates an imbalance. Since total weight of the 2 short levers will be 5 lbs., the work they will be 2 1/2 lbs. x 2 1/2 inches.
With 2 long levers supplying 10 lbs. of force, their movement of 7 1/2 inches will be reduced by 25%. This means a 1 lb. weight will consume about 6 ounces of over balance. And the 2 1/2 lb. weight about 3.125 inch lbs. of torque.
And with 12 ounces of water in the top bellow, if we subtract the 6 ounces for the weight on the long lever, this leaves 6 ounces.
The end result is 5.625 inch lbs. of torque minus 3.125 which leaves about 2 1/2 inch lbs. of torque to rotate the wheel. And if it barely works, it would be just as Bessler described it. Math is so much fun !!! :-D :-D

[james.lindgard]

I thought I would mention these scissors again. They are why I am building a larger wheel that uses water. If no one gets the math,, E needs twice the force as the weight at B.
An example is if a 1 kg weight were at B, then E would need 2 kg's of force. Normal leveraging.
However, if the peak has a 1 kg weight and not B, then 1.25 x 2 kg of force should be needed to lift the peak 4 times higher than B. This is because C's lever is twice as long as E's lever and leverages at a 1:4 ratio. And the only reason I figured that out besides working at it is because I tested how Bessler used his levers in his drawings and saw that mathematical relationship.
And with me, I am trying to get doctors interested in doing one last surgery on me. I can't work again until they do it and would like to move to another state. After all, I have been allowed to suffer needlessly for 6 years. Not really happy about that. It's like I'm being told to go F*ck myself for having served in the military.
will take my time with the rest of my build. I do have one rim glued together and will start on the other one tonight.

edited to add ratio and with these scissors, they do need to be built and tested. It could be that it would take 3.25 kg's of force to lift a 1 kg weight to a height of 4x's. If so, that is still a gain in the work department.

[james.lindgard]

Thos is the design outline O am going to use for Bessler's scissors. I think it's Mt 26 that gives it away. If it works, it will be a "cool" part of perpetual engineering.

[james.lindgard]

I'll probably stop building until I can find out if I have cancer again.

[james.lindgard]

Thos is the design outline O am going to use for Bessler's scissors. I think it's Mt 26 that gives it away. If it works, it will be a "cool" part of perpetual engineering.

I've posted a challenge which Jim_Mich can refuse if he likes as he is a philomath. He can build and show how what I consider to be Bessler's scissors and peacock's tail is not right. Anyone who likes learning would find this an opportunity to show that they are just as willing to learn as they are to boast proud as a peacock that they are a philomath.
it's nothing personal Jim_Mich but I think you spelled philomath wrong. It took me a minute to figure out or learn what you actually meant to say. :-D

edited to add; Jim_Mich called himself a polymath. He must have confused polygon with philomath somehow.

[Furcurequs]

Hey James,

Polymath is a valid word, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath

Actually, philomath was the new word for me.

[jim_mich]

Jim_Mich called himself a polymath. He must have confused polygon with philomath somehow.

Why do you idiot trolls always think that I'm wrong? Don't you see, it is you trolls who are always in the wrong. I'm so much more intelligent than you trolls, that much of what I write goes whoosh over your heads. I have to deliberately dumb down my posts so that you can understand what I write.

There are some other intelligent life-forms here on this Bessler's wheel forum, but you trolls scare them away.