Policy Change -- Sockpuppets & Reputation System

WaltzCee · Post by **WaltzCee** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:48 pm

AB Hammer wrote:Please post the names you remember so we who are willing to click on green of the ones who should not be forgotten.

:)

Art · Post by **Art** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:05 am

James

"https://www.ket.org/series/NOVA/

edited to add: the show on U-166 is worth watching. If a zip code is requested, enter 40502."

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James ,

Interesting selection of documentaries ! Can't find anything referring to U166 though .

Is there an alternate reference number for it ?

Furcurequs · Post by **Furcurequs** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:39 pm

Hey Art,

I believe James is referring to the show about the sunken German submarine near New Orleans - "Nazi Attack On America."

Nazi Attack On America

56:46 | #4210 | TV-PG | First Aired: May 6, 2015

Undersea explorer Bob Ballard, discoverer of the Titanic, investigates the wreck of a German submarine a few miles from New Orleans.

https://www.ket.org/episode/NOVA%20%20004210/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_su ... %281941%29

You should be able to watch it here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/N ... erica.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/d ... u-166.html

james.lindgard · Post by **james.lindgard** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:50 pm

Furcurequs,
Thanks.

Post by **scott** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:43 am

ovyyus wrote:
Mark wrote:The proposed changes are designed to fix what's broken by eliminating the abuse that the rep system is currently subject to.
A side effect of the actual change implemented by Scott is that it permanently erases the good rep of past contributing members. That's a loss.

I saved off the database before making the change, so if we need to resurrect any particular past user's reputation, we can do that. Nothing was permanently erased.

ovyyus · Post by **ovyyus** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:20 am

Thanks for the update, Scott.

Fcdriver · Post by **Fcdriver** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:36 pm

The reputation system on this site is a bit of a oxymoron, this is a site about a working wheel made by Bessler. Yet the highest reputations do not reflect a concept, or any concepts, of a working wheel? Some even claim it is impossible, not that it is just a mystery.? Deductive reasoning and logic, that if a list of how the people on this site, don't feel how it was made or worked, would be the first place to look! It is not the clues that Bessler left, but the claims of scholars on what they feel he didn't do,is what will solve this mystery!

james.lindgard · Post by **james.lindgard** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:38 pm

AB Hammer wrote:I see this forum as a place where we can talk about PM possibilities and Bessler. Birds of a feather, so to speak.

Some here get tunnel vision on their approaches. Ralph warned me on this when I fist joined the forum. So you have to keep an open mind. Understanding the proof of success of Bessler becomes a driving point. Yet there is no evidence on how he did it, outside of Bessler saying something like all you need to know is in the MTs. also other clues in his book. It is also well know that the MTs don't work as shown.
To say someone has Bessler's wheel is impossible to prove due to lack of information. But! we can if successful say we have a Bessler like wheel. This alone is more evidence to back up Bessler in history.

I have been accused by one individual of being anti-Bessler for saying you can't prove it is how Bessler did it, like as if Bessler was a religion. I say you can only say this is a possible way only. But until a proved wheel is shown, it is a mute point outside of exploration. IMHO

Alan

@Scott,
I think when someone either speaks for the forum or is challenging the forum to disagree with them that a temporary ban is in order.
To quote AB Hammer
>> It is also well know that the MTs don't work as shown. <<
edited to add this quote as well
>> Some here get tunnel vision on their approaches. Ralph warned me on this <<

His wonky wheel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LeYYidRXlk works the same as Bessler's Mt 1. As one weight moves towards the center of the wheel, another weight is being lifted behind it. At the same time, a weight is moving away from the center of the wheel. AB Hammer has demonstrated that at least one of Bessler's Mt's work as drawn. it does make it difficult to discuss Bessler's work when a person is either speaking for the forum or is challenging other forum members to disagree with them.

To the quote I added, is rlortie willing to verify he told AB Hammer that ? If not, then is AB Hammer making up quotes ?

edited to capitalize the B in Bessler's name.

AB Hammer · Post by **AB Hammer** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:15 pm

james.lindgard wrote:@Scott,
I think when someone either speaks for the forum or is challenging the forum to disagree with them that a temporary ban is in order.
To quote AB Hammer
>> It is also well know that the MTs don't work as shown. <<
edited to add this quote as well
>> Some here get tunnel vision on their approaches. Ralph warned me on this <<

His wonky wheel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LeYYidRXlk works the same as Bessler's Mt 1. As one weight moves towards the center of the wheel, another weight is being lifted behind it. At the same time, a weight is moving away from the center of the wheel. AB Hammer has demonstrated that at least one of Bessler's Mt's work as drawn. it does make it difficult to discuss Bessler's work when a person is either speaking for the forum or is challenging other forum members to disagree with them.

To the quote I added, is rlortie willing to verify he told AB Hammer that ? If not, then is AB Hammer making up quotes ?

edited to capitalize the B in Bessler's name.

Trying to start something again Lindgaard

Trying to take a true statement and trying to make it sound wrong somehow. That is just sad

As for the wonky star wheel it is a far way off of MT 1 using hanging to attempt to change the position of where the weight reacts to the wheel. Sorry you can't see that.

Again leave me alone. Most here know you just want to put me down some how.

james.lindgard · Post by **james.lindgard** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:48 pm

AB Hammer,
I am not trying to start something. Can you show Bessler's MT's do not work as drawn ? It is a claim you made.

ME · Post by ME » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:56 pm

Johann Bessler wrote: Further demonstrations
regarding the possibility and impossibility of perpetual motion
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NB. May 1, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.

- Johann Bessler, cover page of Maschinen Tractate

AB Hammer · Post by **AB Hammer** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:55 am

james.lindgard wrote:AB Hammer,
I am not trying to start something. Can you show Bessler's MT's do not work as drawn ? It is a claim you made.

Lindgaard

Marchello E, has answered you from Bessler's own words. ( Thank you Marchello E )

You might want to ask yourself from this logic.

Would we be here looking for a solution if any of the MTs worked as perpetual motion as shown?

The MTs are to learn from. They are previous attempts and several of them are just machines for other purposes, like pumping water.

Alan

james.lindgard · Post by **james.lindgard** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:26 pm

AB Hammer,
Yet you posted
>> Some here get tunnel vision on their approaches. Ralph warned me on this when I fist joined the forum. <<

Can you show where Ralph told you that ?

At ME, I am about the only person in here who has considered Bessler's MT's and then built something.

AB Hammer, can I thank you ? Because of your continued slander against me, people will not discuss Bessler's Mt's with me or how they make his wheels known. This means that I alone know how Bessler's wheels worked. It is interesting though that when you have no education that you can intimidate people who do have an education.
Kind of why I doubt rlortie told you that people should pursue an understanding of Bessler's work in a haphazard manner. After all, since you have no schooling, then imo if someone works in a methodical way, you have nothing to contribute.

james.lindgard · Post by **james.lindgard** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:44 pm

ME wrote:
Johann Bessler wrote: Further demonstrations
regarding the possibility and impossibility of perpetual motion
------------------------------------------------------------------------
NB. May 1, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.

- Johann Bessler, cover page of Maschinen Tractate

ME,
The link is to another project that I'm pursuing. If I am successful, then I would be demonstrating where atmospheric scientists were not aware that the vacuum of our atmosphere requires more than 1.031 kg/cm^2 of an expanding force to achieve what is observed both in relationship to temperature and vacuum.
This is kind of why I build what I do. Bessler's Mt's suggest he manipulated water and with Mt 39, it can probably work as drawn. I took the time to do the math. And without math, I doubt I would be building. This si why me and AB Hammer do not get along.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/i ... le.876215/

jim_mich · Post by **jim_mich** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:23 pm

james.lindgard wrote:AB Hammer,
Yet you posted
>> Some here get tunnel vision on their approaches. Ralph warned me on this when I fist joined the forum. <<

Can you show where Ralph told you that ?

BesslerWheel.com

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