Another claim to a working device...

[Grimer]

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Since people on this forum, including yourself, are fully aware that to date not one person (rich or poor) has proven a successful machine, it is reasonable to view the RAR machine as just another scam, stunt, or blunder.
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I believe Bessler built a successful machine. Don't you?

[Ed]

As Bill would remind us, what one believes and what has been proven are two different things. I think Bessler succeeded but he still didn't prove it (other than covered wheel tests). To date no one has, and these days the type of tests Bessler used to prove he could keep a wheel turning would not fly as proof of ultimate success. Too many ways today to fake things, as we've seen by people making youtube videos. RAR hasn't even done the equivalent of what Bessler did back then, so why should anyone give them the benefit of the doubt? The answer is, they shouldn't!

Again, statistically we are our own worst enemy. No conspiracies needed.

[murilo]

Mr. Ribeiros is in a different world to us, although it looks like a monster build when put in prospective it is like me buying a small packet of nuts and bolts for my next build, in proportion to his money what I have spent on my builds thus far would be a £500,000,000, what my search has cost me in real terms is about £350,000 if I was paid for my time at the same rate I charge my customers, and that is about a week and a half wages to most of the top footballers.

Still it was my choice and I have no regrets because of the knowledge I have gained in physics, mechanics, hydraulics and lots more. I would hate to think how much Pathfinder, Ralph, Scot, and a few other have put in if they where paid for every hour they have put in.

Trevor Lyn,
be sure!
The abyssal gap between Sr. Ribeiro and you is much smaller than that between you and me... B(
Woooooooshhhh....... B∫

[DrWhat]

Let's just face it, Bessler's wheel probably never actually worked as we think it did, was a scam, and we are wasting our time. Time to give up? :(

[rasselasss]

"the time has come",...the Walrus said...."to talk of many things....Of shoes ...and ships ...and sealing wax....Of cabbages ....and kings...And why the sea is boiling hot.....And whether pigs have wings"......L.C.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Dr What,

Now is not the time to give up, we have only just got over the learning curve, we know what is needed to make the wheel work it is only a matter of designing the mechanism. My job is installing machines world wide and when you look at the designs and engineering that goes in to some of the machine it make even the most complicated design here look primitive, not just that, its the speed of these machines that is most impressive.

I have not gave up on some of my older designs yet, but sadly I do drive a lot of designs now, more too increase efficiency and not have to waste time turning the wheel first which is the main problem for what we seek here.

We now have the advantages of modern control system so why not use them. With that said on my bucket list is an all gravity and weight shift wheel, and an all magnet motor.

My other designs are already Runners because they are driven by motors, I still have a lot to do to build them but that is time and money not expertise.

[rlortie]

Let's just face it, Bessler's wheel probably never actually worked as we think it did, was a scam, and we are wasting our time. Time to give up? :(

Key words: "AS WE Think It DID!"

All we are left to assume is that Bessler left us with limited knowledge. We know that it utilized alleged four pound weights, how many and their purpose is unknown. Four pound weights in a wheel of twelve feet in diameter, to me seems insignificant, think about it! IMO these four pound weights are not for driving, but are simply used as activators to set other mechanisms into motion.

We also are left to assume that it contained ropes, pulleys and cross-bars. What else is their that we can accept as factual, or base our research on?

NO! I do not believe Bessler's wheel left us with a scam, but what he left us to assimilate its function upon is one of the biggest "red herring" scams of all time.

I do not believe that anyone will ever come forth with a self sustaining machine based on the weight of pendulums, although a pendulum with a four pound bob could obviously be used to set something else in motion.

Ralph

[Andyb]

Hi ED wrote that to date there is no evidence of a working wheel ,Rocky dug up the guy how won on his day in court no evidence of how it worked but the court considered it pm i call that evidence,it can be done it has been done and so it will again ,I personally think its easy you just need to develop the skills to build it, that takes a decade or more.

I once spent 15 years or more leaving a idea and design of one of my other projects on the back burner some times the heating got left off ,then I decided to lok at it again from a new prospective and sat down to meditate on it and i came up with a simple design to allow a switching mechanisium to work in a 116 mm radius that flexs the answer came in meditation and was the shape off a key this design finished the project and never failed once, rugged simple obvious, may be we are all being to clever missing some thing so simple so obvious I do not know all i do know in my heart in my soul is gravity motors are possible I think it can be done in a number of ways ,one of the approaches that Rocky has shown talks of two wheels side by side on dropping weights in to the other simple in principle but a bitch to build would take a year to get to a working prototype or there about, but sounds in principle worth investigating,so do not give up the fight our world needs it and so do we.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Let's just face it, Bessler's wheel probably never actually worked as we think it did, was a scam, and we are wasting our time. Time to give up? :(

Key words: "AS WE Think It DID!"

All we are left to assume is that Bessler left us with limited knowledge. We know that it utilized alleged four pound weights, how many and their purpose is unknown. Four pound weights in a wheel of twelve feet in diameter, to me seems insignificant, think about it! IMO these four pound weights are not for driving, but are simply used as activators to set other mechanisms into motion.

We also are left to assume that it contained ropes, pulleys and cross-bars. What else is their that we can accept as factual, or base our research on?

NO! I do not believe Bessler's wheel left us with a scam, but what he left us to assimilate its function upon is one of the biggest "red herring" scams of all time.

I do not believe that anyone will ever come forth with a self sustaining machine based on the weight of pendulums, although a pendulum with a four pound bob could obviously be used to set something else in motion.

Ralph

Hi Ralph,

looking at how the pendulums are connected to the axle of Bessler Wheel it is clear to me they was used as a energy store that are charging up when a out of balance is falling, and push to turn the axle while the system is in reset. How many time have you built a wheel design where you just have to push a weight or lever to make the reset then off it goes, this is where the pendulums come in, there down stoke puts back the energy needed for the reset.

I have had some pretty close runners in the past that just needed a little push in there flat spot, I will be looking at the best of them again but this time with pendulums with the down stroke synchronized with the reset, one design on my list was only 15 degree off the reset and needed very little help, that one will be my first pendulum assisted wheel because it is a simple design.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi AndyB,

it sounds a bit like a Buzzsaw wheel type of design, it is another ratio game but if you start from scratch you will not have the handicaps of the Buzzsaw which is so restrictive and narrow in options.

[Ed]

Hi ED wrote that to date there is no evidence of a working wheel ,

I said no one has yet proven. Evidence is circumstantial.

Who said anything about giving up?

[Mark]

Who said anything about giving up?

It wasn't me… that's for sure.

[oldNick]

Let's just face it, Bessler's wheel probably never actually worked as we think it did, was a scam, and we are wasting our time. Time to give up? :(

Key words: "AS WE Think It DID!"

All we are left to assume is that Bessler left us with limited knowledge. We know that it utilized alleged four pound weights, how many and their purpose is unknown. Four pound weights in a wheel of twelve feet in diameter, to me seems insignificant, think about it! IMO these four pound weights are not for driving, but are simply used as activators to set other mechanisms into motion.

We also are left to assume that it contained ropes, pulleys and cross-bars. What else is their that we can accept as factual, or base our research on?

NO! I do not believe Bessler's wheel left us with a scam, but what he left us to assimilate its function upon is one of the biggest "red herring" scams of all time.

I do not believe that anyone will ever come forth with a self sustaining machine based on the weight of pendulums, although a pendulum with a four pound bob could obviously be used to set something else in motion.

Ralph

Hi Ralph,

looking at how the pendulums are connected to the axle of Bessler Wheel it is clear to me they was used as a energy store that are charging up when a out of balance is falling, and push to turn the axle while the system is in reset. How many time have you built a wheel design where you just have to push a weight or lever to make the reset then off it goes, this is where the pendulums come in, there down stoke puts back the energy needed for the reset.

I have had some pretty close runners in the past that just needed a little push in there flat spot, I will be looking at the best of them again but this time with pendulums with the down stroke synchronized with the reset, one design on my list was only 15 degree off the reset and needed very little help, that one will be my first pendulum assisted wheel because it is a simple design.

TLW and all,

A pendulum is a weight attracted by gravity, so when does it stop being a pendulum.

Is it still a pendulum when it does a 360, could we call a Bessler wheel : a pendulum wheel ?

Out Of Balance wheel.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

TLW and all,

A pendulum is a weight attracted by gravity, so when does it stop being a pendulum.

Is it still a pendulum when it does a 360, could we call a Bessler wheel : a pendulum wheel ?

Out Of Balance wheel.

I suppose that would depend on what it is designed for, in my above post I was thinking about using it as a pendulum swinging back and forth and to help distribute the energy of the device more evenly over the system.

I personally do not see a problem calling a 360 degree Pendulum just that, depending on its application, people would understand what you are talking about and that is what words a for.

I would not call Bessler Wheel a pendulum wheel, a wheel with pendulums yes, we will never know what drove Bessler wheel but I personally do not think it was pendulums that was the main drive.

[oldNick]

Thanks for your reply Trevor.