It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit

[ken_behrendt]

Jim wrote:

none of my employees...[had] daily bad bowell days

That's good because if they had, they probably would not have showed up for work regularly!


However, it does seem a bit unusual that you would have had several working devices and can not remember how any of them worked. The only way that would seem possible to me would be if they had some unique geometry to them that is hard to make an accurate schematic for or if the accurate schematics that once existed somehow were lost.

Of course, I know that over the course of time one can forget the intimate details of a design. I made several model gravity wheel prototypes (non-working) during the late '60's and can not remember now all of their details and I did not bother to make schematics for them. In fact, the original notebooks I kept the designs in have also been lost over time.

However, if I had been fortunate enough to have constructed a working gravity motor, I would have realized how important such a device was and made every effort to perserve it.


ken

[ovyyus]

Well Bill
I was trying to follow in your footsteps and milk the ol boy for a little response.

I'm not trying to 'milk' anyone Wheeler, I'm just trying to understand where this is at.

I can understand you're frustration. I can also understand why Jim might be a little peeved at mannerisms, or lack thereof. I really wish any of it made a difference, but it doesn't if there's no working wheel. At the moment there's obviously no working wheel and, unfortunately, there appears nothing useful on the horizon either. Talk is so cheap and easy, isn't it.

[rks1878]

I hate to say it, but I think Ralph and "James" have been pulling our chains for a long time....

Ken,

You diverted me from trying the second set of weights, the ones I was doing all the drilling on. Instead, I went after two cable systems that use the drive weights themselves to shift and rotate things around.

Nothing doing.

In my design, it has to be a small force coming, or seeming to come, from outside the connected drive weights.

This is where my second system of weights comes in...and will set them up next week. Cables and pulleys are still used...

[Fletcher]

You know, now I'm even more confused. What happened to the small working wheel that James couldn't send to Ralph by UPS because a part was hazardous ?

Why do you need to remember how it works when you have one in front of you ? Why can't someone get on a plane & look at it, note the differences & save the hours of workshop toil & expense, not to mention frustration ? That's what friends would do.

Come to think about it, why not send the small wheel by longhaul freight or furniture truck ?

[ken_behrendt]

Robert wrote:

Ken,

You diverted me from trying the second set of weights, the ones I was doing all the drilling on. Instead, I went after two cable systems that use the drive weights themselves to shift and rotate things around.

Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with a self-shifting system. Yes, I know that, although simpler than using a separate set of shifter weights, they can be very tricky when it comes to adjustment. However, I am still convinced that self-shifters are the way to go in solving Bessler's mystery.

If you are going to give the secondary set of shifter weights approach another try, then best of luck with it. I tried about a half dozen various versions of it before I gave up on that approach, but, maybe, you will have better luck.


ken

[rlortie]

Robert,

I do not wish to get involved with the on going battle between You, Bill and others that have been voicing there opinions at james. I try to stay clear. It is not my battle, that is until you stated:

<I hate to say it, but I think Ralph and "James" have been pulling our chains for a long time....>

i believe that this was uncalled for, I have not or never will pull any body's chain in the matter you refer too. I have always laid it on the line as is. I have never claimed to have a working wheel or have I ever said that I had built one for some one else. So how and why do you feel that I have ever pulled yours or anyone else's chain.

My only claim is, I have not gave up on James's concept, Just as you have not claimed to have given up on your toothpick pusher.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

I do not wish to get involved with the on going battle between You, Bill and others that have been voicing there opinions at james.

The 'battle' here, if there is one, is in trying to make sense of the myriad conflicting statements made by Jim about his claim of a working wheel. Any claim of a working wheel is a pretty big deal in my books and should be exhaustively pursued to a conclusion - one way or the other.

Fletcher raises a very good question Ralph.. some time ago Jim stated that he had a small working model and that he couldn't send it, yet he now states that he's forgotten how to build his machine. What part of this makes sense to you Ralph? Perhaps you could explain it to me.

There are many glaring inconsistencies in Jim's claim about a working wheel and he seems to take offence when questioned about them - usually deflecting these enquiries with irrelevant family or personal history statements or blaming health issues.

Sorry mate, but this is familiar territory to me and I have to say that this just looks bad for both yourself and for Jim. Do you care? I think you do. I and the other interested members here deserve an explanation that makes sense. I don't think that's asking too much, do you?

[Michael]

It's pretty obvious why James would be seen as questionable. James it's only because you say things but then don't back them up. I should remind you anyone can come on here with a name. I'm still waiting and don't really have an opinion either way.
It appears though Robert that you think James is a creation of Ralph, or that they are in on something togther. If this is indeed the case then all you have to do is write Eric Krieg a short note and ask him if Ralph is legit. Eric might not share your belief in free energy but he is honest.

erickrieg@verizon.net

Mike

[Joel Wright]

To whom it may concern.I located the 1964 year Hot Rod yearbook for sale on EBAY.Picture is from EBAY Auction.

[rks1878]

Ralph,

Instead of trying to duplicate james idea all by your lonesome, why not go to his place and look at the wheel that he says works?

Stop feigning indignation at being questioned.

Actually, I've though you and "james" were infiltrators anyway. Probably some practical joker physiscist or engineer, really getting the pmm crowd a run for the money. Your use of bad grammer and incorrect spelling gave it away, "ralph", IMHO!

[rlortie]

Robert,

I think you are confused or deliberately hitting below the belt. If you think I should go to Indiana and look,why don't you, your just as close.

I am not feigning indignation at being questioned. I am not defending James on any basis I can not back up. What goes on here is between James and who ever wants to join in.

As for your statement: <Your use of bad grammer and incorrect spelling gave it away, "ralph", IMHO!> My grammar may not live up to your standards but every post I make is spell checked before submitting.

<Probably some practical joker physiscist or engineer, really getting the pmm crowd a run for the money.>

Although I do have a broad sense of humor I am not a physicist, I have been referred to as a self taught mechanical engineer and made a good living at it. The US Army Corps of Engineers thought so for over 20 years. I have no intentions of giving anybody a run for the money. that is except building a working wheel.

I tinker with James's design because I have not proved to myself that it is not a runner. I am not defending James here on the forum, but only trying to appease my own curiosity about his design possibility's.

Why should I go to Indiana, James has already told me what I would find. There is no working wheel nor have I ever stated there was. For that matter I do not recall James ever saying there was one either, can you?

If you or anyone can find where James flat states that he has a working wheel in his possession, then I will join you in saying put up or shut up.

This message has been spell checked. You misspelled grammar and physicist. :-)

Ralph

[coylo]

Ralph, I can't understand why Robert is giving you such a hard time when you have shown considerable support and interest for his PM attempts in his thread. Maybe its because what sticks in members minds is your association with the shady characters (Claudio and James) of the forum behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean that your responsible for their actions and claims, your a capable bloke who just hangs with the wrong crowd.

[rlortie]

Ovyyus, and other interested parties

Sorry mate, but this is familiar territory to me and I have to say that this just looks bad for both yourself and for Jim. Do you care? I think you do. I and the other interested members here deserve an explanation that makes sense. I don't think that's asking too much, do you?

Yes I do care, I do not understand why it should make me look bad. That is why I keep implying that I do not want to be a part of this. Jim is on his own regarding what is said on this forum. I do not back or defend a friend or otherwise unless I have tangible evidence to do so with.

I do consider Jim a good friend but only after I had gotten to know him. I do not claim or back his statements of a working wheel. My only involvement is that he sent me plans for a concept he said worked and I thought it worthy of a build. This does not mean that I am involved or backing any statements posted here by James.

My concern is making it clear that I have no part in this. I see it condensed to the following facts.

1. James Kelly joins forum and states he had made working wheels
2. James kelly sends design to Ralph Lortie.
3. Ralph Lortie builds design not once but twice.
4.Wheel does not run but comes very close. So close that Ralph does not give up when wheel does not maintain RPM. James releases concept to forum.
5. Ralph still works on wheel when in the mood
6.Meanwhile James and forum members keep conversing over a wheel that James has never claimed to currently have in his possession.
7. Forum finds it prudent to involve Ralph cause he built one.
8. Ralph does not make statements or claims other than he built it and it does not run.
9. Yet the forum claims Ralph is in some sort of collusion with James.

I cannot think of any way to make myself better understood.
Is this a forum to research Bessler wheel, this thread reminds me of a nitpicking hen party.

If you will note I only reply to posts that include or are directed at me. As for making sense, I do not get involved. It boils down to the bottom line, and that is, James claims he once had a working wheel. Now I ask you why should that involve or make me look bad, I never said it. I just built a wheel that he designed, just as I have done for others and am still doing. I do not wish to be involved, I would rather work on wheel designs

If I posted all the member designs that have been sent me and enclosed who sent them, there would not be time for any research on this forum. It would be tied up constantly just as this thread is now.

This is Roberts thread, can't we talk about his near success or failure and scrutinize his design that only takes a toothpick push to start. I would like to know more about it.

Ralph

[rlortie]

Ralph, I can't understand why Robert is giving you such a hard time when you have shown considerable support and interest for his PM attempts in his thread. Maybe its because what sticks in members minds is your association with the shady characters (Claudio and James) of the forum behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean that your responsible for their actions and claims, your a capable bloke who just hangs with the wrong crowd.

Coylo,

Thank you for the uplifting comment, it is nice to know that at least one member understands. Seems like every time it becomes public knowledge that I am communicating plans and ideas off forum, I become the target. That is why I never pass on any confidential PM's regarding other members.

I suppose that if I build Patricks reciprocator and it does not work, I will get the short end of the stick there also.

As for Robert, I already told him he could take his frustration out on me. I will be here to let him download. Then, I in turn will reply in my usual manner. By doing so, maybe he will get this thread back on topic subject.

Ralph

[SeaWasp]

I agree with Ralph in this respect. There is way too much character assasination going on. I would love to see more postings on relevant matter. I would like to see more of the failures included within the topics also! Analysing a failure can reveal so much!

In regards to claims of working wheels.... I am so over them! It is just not worth the dramas trying to solicit the proof. If anyone here does or even had a working wheel, then my best wishes are extended to them. At least I hope that the board will eventualy be enlightened on the design at the appropriate time.

There is so much Cloak & Dagger at work here that any working wheel will inevitably be built & patented and perhaps the board will be the last to know of a successful design! Unless it is discovered by certain individuals who want nothing more but the fame of having discovered Besslers Secret! To those, I wish you all the best of luck! Cause it is you guys which keep this board going!