Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[Jonathan]

Those are pictures of the older version. Replacing the rollers with springy Apologia wheels is a newer version, I don't know if he's built it.
I too cannot confirm that it works (and doubt that it does, though it is beyond me why he'd lie if he is). All I can say is that I built as similar a model as I could, and it didn't work.
And if I may bring it up again, there is still the matter of the double-incline-double-roller device which Georg claimed behaved a certain way, but which I experimentally and mathematically found that it didn't. I distinctly remember saying that I wanted clarification, that either I misunderstood or he didn't do the experiment to see if it works like he said, and he has yet to dignify it with a reply.
EDIT
See post #1734, the last one on the second page of this thread; post #2000 in the "The Uphill Battle" thread in comm. buzz; and post #2804 in the "Parametric oscillation" thread.

[ovyyus]

Hi Jonathan,

These pictures are of the wheel that Georg said he has tested and proven. I agree that it can not work as shown and described to date - but why is Georg constantly insisting that it does???

My last email response to Georg, after he stated to me that this wheel was tested and proven to work, was:

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Hi Georg,

Have you actually built a fully working self-turning wheel? Is this true! Or
have you simply demonstrated a principle with component tests and
experiments?

Tell me you have built a real fully working self-turning wheel that has
replicated Bessler's demonstrations - not theory, not experiment - a fully
working self-turning wheel. If true, I want to know more.

Regards, Bill.

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This was sent over 3 weeks ago with no response forthcoming from Georg to date.

[Trev]

Looks like more wishfull thinking :(

Trev.

[epistemologicide]

hi guys, yes we are allowed to replicate that wheel. hence why i had just sent the pics to bill.

now gerog assures me that the fall distance is to be taken into acount, and the metal of the outer wheel, for essential maximum energy out put.

i am just waiting on jims recomendations and i will commit all the materials and money and time to this replication for gerog and us all.

[coylo]

I'm sorry, but when I look at Georg's designs I just can't see how they will do .................................anything.
If they actually turn out to be working ideas, I'll eat my own toenails.

However, his modelling attempts are very well.........um...........made.
Of the highest craftmanship!

[ovyyus]

Hi epistemologicide,

Georg sent me these pics some time ago, before you forwarded your copies to me. I do not intend to attempt replication of Georg's wheel. Based on the info to date it would seem that Georg has yet to build a fully working wheel himself. I'm with coylo on this :)

[jim_mich]

I've tried a few things with Georg's wheel (using wm2d) but to no avail, it will not self-turn. It reminds me of the physics experiment where a cylinder weighted off center rolls up an inclined board. Until the weight reaches the bottom side of the cylinder, where is comes to rest near the upper end of the board.

I don't see any way Georg's wheel will work.

[epistemologicide]

i forgot to add that the 4-8 design is a development from a year ago, and i would focus on his new designs currently posted. with the three kingdoms

[Georg Künstler]

Hello, I am back from my holidays,

I think it wasn't correct from Ovyyus to publish my developement on the board. This development is an old one, and was published under Patrick's wheel a long time ago. So I think Scott should remove this pictures, and put a link to the pictures I had published.

Others wrote that they will eat their toe nails. Sorry, but they have to do so.

the future has begun,

Best regards

Georg

[Jonathan]

And if I may bring it up again, there is still the matter of the double-incline-double-roller device which Georg claimed behaved a certain way, but which I experimentally and mathematically found that it didn't. I distinctly remember saying that I wanted clarification, that either I misunderstood or he didn't do the experiment to see if it works like he said, and he has yet to dignify it with a reply.
See post #1734, the last one on the second page of this thread; post #2000 in the "The Uphill Battle" thread in comm. buzz; and post #2804 in the "Parametric oscillation" thread.

[ovyyus]

Sorry Georg, I didn't think these pictures of your 'old development' would be a problem for you.

In relation to these old pictures, you said back then that you had in fact achieved a working wheel using that old design. Was that not true? What do you define as a 'working wheel'?

You now propose a new system that, again, you claim to have built and proven. What evidence is there to support your new claim? Old pictures and some new design idea sketches aren't proof, would you agree?

I think you have not yet built a working wheel that can demonstrate and prove your claim. But you seem to insist, as you did with your 'old development', that you have in fact built and proven it. Why? What is the purpose of making these ongoing claims that you can not prove?

Until you can prove your claim with something more than rhetoric and rough design idea sketches there will be no toenail eating.

I want to eat :)

[coylo]

Well the "toenail eating" only applies to ideas posted on this thread, if Georg if refering to a new undisclosed idea or mechanism, well then that is a different ball game.

I think my toenails are safe for now.

[Fletcher]

"toenail eating" ...yuck... that conjures up all sorts of horrible images. It could be considered a natural activity for people who keep opening their mouths to change feet, present company excluded of course :-)

[MrTim]

"toenail eating" ...yuck... that conjures up all sorts of horrible images.

I haven't checked, but I believe you can buy videos of that sort of thing. If not, I bet you could sell one. There are enough weird people out there that would buy it....

[Oxygon]

the future has begun,

Best regards

Georg

I don't know about the rest of you, but this is getting to me...

You keep saying this over and over again... is this ego massaging?

Are you referinmg to PM or is this just a message ender...?

Georg when is the future going to begin...???