The joy of not knowing

[ken_behrendt]

I envision us to live in one solar system of one galaxy of one local universe. That local universe was created from a Big Bang explosion about 14 billion years ago and will be destroyed in a Big Crunch a few tens of billions of years from now. Surrounding us (but invisible to us at present) are other adjacent local universes, each going through the same cycle. This array or matrix of local universes, each separated from its nearest neighbors by incredible distances (on the order of 50 to 100 billion light years!) is infinite in extent.

In this "multiverse" model, all of the local universes are created at about the same time from an infinite number of Big Bangs. Then about 100 billion years later they all disappear into an infinite number of Big Crunches.

When a local universe experiences a Big Crunch, all of the matter and energy in it is compressed into a growing Super Black Hole that has a diameter several times that of a our Solar System. After all of the infinite number of local universes are used to form this infinite array of Super Black Holes, the entire cosmos goes dark for, perhaps, several tens of billions of years as the individual Super Black Holes grow and reach a critical volume at which point they become unstable.

Once past a critical size, a Super Black Hole begins to produce a new form of non-electromagnetic radiation (which I call "anti-mass field radiation") which has the remarkable ability to negate the force of gravity. When enough of this radiation is emitted from a growing Super Black Hole, it can no longer use gravitational forces to contain the enormous pressures present within it. I imagine that the "material" of these black holes is actually super dense "neutronium" that has some fluid properties to it. It consists of individual neutrons packed so closely together that they no longer behave like individual subatomic particles, but like a homogeneous liquid.

At some point, the Super Black Hole will explode and release vast quantities of neutrons into the space surrounding it. After a few minutes, these neutrons spontaneously decay to form hydrogen atoms that can coalesce into huge clouds that will, after a few billion more years, become galaxies. From these stars will form, then planets, then life, and, finally, sentient humanoid life.

This entire cycle IS perpetual motion! It always was, is, and always will be and there is nothing that can stop or alter it in anyway. It is the final nature of cosmic reality.

Thus, we must conceive of the present infinite cosmos as the product of an infinite number of universes going through an infinite number of Big Bangs and Big Crunches...


ken

[Michael]

I'm not sure; as I told Bill, "I'd have to get degrees in astrophysics, nuclear physics, geology and paleontology so I could analyse the data myself". And God help me, I probably will.

I'd like to do that analysis myself to see what it is made of and how valid it is. You can't really argue for a point though without knowing the confines of the point. I do have faith that you could indeed get degrees in those fields. :)

[Patrick]

Ken,
You sound like the late Carl Sagan with his billions and billions. If you ever want a tatse of reality check out:
www.answersingenesis.com
--Patrick

[ovyyus]

reality

1. The quality or state of being actual or true.
2. The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
3. That which exists objectively and in fact.

Number 3 is my favourite taste.

[Patrick]

Bill;
You are always sensible and real; always ready to rail against the zealot; and I admire your level-headedness but......
If you ever get a chance to acquire the Spirit of Truth, you will find out what reality consists of...what is real and what is not.

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you."

Maybe TS is getting into heaven ahead of you, even in his ignorance!

[AgingYoung]

Ken,

You stated:

Surrounding us (but invisible to us at present) are other adjacent local universes, each going through the same cycle.

yet the universe is the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated. Your definition for multi*verse expands on the meaning of universe to the point that universe is meaningless. The moment you postulate that more exists in the universe besides 'our' universe it then becomes a part of 'our' universe.

In your speculative explanation I see a description of what was, what is and what is to come. It seems you're able to tell the beginning from the end. I somehow get the sense I should be more reverent yet I can't bring myself to it.

Gene

ps: I don't mean this in an offensive manner. I'm only questioning your explanation.

[ovyyus]

Patrick, thanks... I think :)

IMO, the 'Spirit of Truth' is a subjective experience. I'm looking for something other than an intense personal feeling or a strong subjective sense. I'm not alone.

If there is a heaven then I hope Mitch can be happy there.

[ken_behrendt]

Gene wrote:

...yet the universe is the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated. Your definition for multi*verse expands on the meaning of universe to the point that universe is meaningless. The moment you postulate that more exists in the universe besides 'our' universe it then becomes a part of 'our' universe.

I use the word "universe" differently than most people are using it. To me, our "universe" refers only to those farthest galaxies (about 12 billion light years out) that we can directly observe. These were produced by the same Big Bang that created our Milky Way galaxy.

However, I postulate that there are other local universes similar to ours. Each had their own Big Bang that was separate from the one that formed our local universe. It's important to realize that I do not think that "our" Big Bang created an infinite amount of matter and energy. No, rather, I believe that is only created enough to fill observable space with galaxies out to about 12 billion light years. If we develop telescopes powerful enough to resolve images from objects farther than that, then, my multiverse model predicts that they will see nothing. This is not because there is nothing beyond this range, however. Actually, there would be other adjacent local universes to ours, only the light from their galaxies would not have reached Earth yet. In fact, it might take tens of billions of years before the light from the nearest galaxies in these adjacent local universes was detectable by our telescopes.

I then believe that there are an infinite number of local universes and describe this infinitie totality by the term "multiverse". Unlike any single local universe, the multiverse contains an infinite amount of matter and energy. But, like any of its component local universes, the multiverse experiences a more or less simultaneous Big Bang throughout its infinite component local universes. Then the multiverse, tens of billions of years later, also experiences a more or less simultaneous Big Crunch throughout all of its infinite component local universes.

Our multiverse is eternal in duration and infinite in extent. There are no other multiverses "outside" of the one we inhabit such a small part of.

Well, this is just my best guess as to how the cosmos is organized on the megascopic level...


ken

[AgingYoung]

Ken,

I use the word "universe" differently than most people are using it. To me, our "universe" refers only to those farthest galaxies (about 12 billion light years out) that we can directly observe. These were produced by the same Big Bang that created our Milky Way galaxy.

Our sun isn't observable in the sense that we see it. By the time the light gets to earth that represents the sun it's 7-9 minutes along its trajectory. We don't directly observe our galaxy for the same reason. We only see an image of it. Some stars that we now see are moving away from the earth at such a speed that one day there will be too much distance between us for the light to ever reach us. There's precious little that man can see about the universe.

You mentioned you use universe differently than most people. I look at words as the tools of thought and for coherent thought and communication to happen words need to have a constant meaning. There's been some discussion about how the works of Bessler have an historical context and because the meanings of words are dynamic we're not really sure how to translate them. That's unfortunate but I think in Bessler's case we wouldn't be that far ahead even if we had an accurate translation. But to my point it seems there's a deliberate effort today to confuse thought by changing meanings. 'That's bad', my bad self thought.

I do enjoy your posts but I'm sure you know we disagree. :) Did I mention my wheel's bigger than your wheel?

Gene

ps: I see your explanation an answer to the idea that everything that had a beginning had a cause. If the universe is eternal it had no beginning and hence has no need for a cause.

[ken_behrendt]

Gene...

Glad you like my postings.

Below is an attached sketch that shows what, according to my views, the "life cycle" of our Multiverse would look like. I can only illustrate what is happening in an infintesimal region of space. One should imagine the arrays shown as extending for infinity in all directions.

The life cycle is perpetual because no energy or matter is lost from the system!


ken

[SeaWasp]

Yeah.. But what caused the Big Bang? Why did this big bang occur?..

Chicken or the egg thingy! LOL!

[ken_behrendt]

SeaWasp...

The infinite number of Big Bangs were the result of an infinite number of growing Super Black Holes that became unstable which were themselves formed from an infinite number of Big Crunches which were themselves formed from an infinite number of Big Bangs which were themselves....and so on into the infinite past.

You see, there really is no "cause" for any of this...it just IS because it is impossible for it NOT to be!

I accept this model as reality and I think that, while it is interesting, there is another problem we need to focus our attention upon. Namely, why are the observable laws of physics and chemistry in our Multiverse what they are? (And, I assume that they are the same in each of its infinite number of local universes). If we can answer that question, then we can truly claim to understand the inner secrets of the cosmos...


ken

[Vic Hays]

I have been out of the country for awhile so I have gotten way behind on new posts.
It seems that one thing that humans try to do is to fit God, the universe, the meaning of life, and everything into a logical construct that fits within their own logic and understanding. Once they do this they are no longer interested in learning things that may unsettle that understanding. This applies to both religion and science. Physicists are not interested and consider any unproven theory to be heresy from unstable individuals because there is already a "proven" theory that explains how things are.

For example: Why investigate gravity power when it has been "proven" that perpetual motion or extracting power from conservative forces is impossible?

On the religious side; Why seek to know God when science has other theories to explain our existence without a creator?

IMO it is an insecure person who reaches the point of denying other possibilities.

[SeaWasp]

Vic.. A "proven" theory is not a theory anymore! Alot of science is based on theory! Not necesessarily "proven" but as far as we can postulate, to fit within our current understanding of our physical universe. We humans do try to fit, God, the universe, meaning of life etc into our own logic & understanding. That is human nature! Every person has their own opinion on Life, the Universe and Everything. The big bang is a theory just as much as God is! Science, in all it's wisdom is forgetting that many of their theories are just as plausible as the theory of God!

[ken_behrendt]

Vic...

I have considered many, many "theories" to explain the reality I see around myself and my present beliefs are what my analysis of it all led me to. For the present, all that science has are a bunch of theories and a handful of "laws". We still are a long, long way off from knowing all of the secrets of the cosmos in minute detail. However, in time, that will come. Then, I am confident, that most of the models for phenomena I've come up with in the last few decades will be shown to be mostly right. No, I do not expect to be 100% right about anything...but, I'd be happy with just being 51% right!

If my belief about ancient religions coming into existence due to early human contact with extraterrestrials and their advanced technology is correct, then the concept of the "traditional" God as a supreme spirit being would have to be invalid. Perhaps when extraterrestrials did contact early humans, they tried to make their presence on Earth understandable to those humans by pretending to be messengers from an all powerful, all knowing god. Simple pre-technological humans would have excepted such an "explanation" at face value and then more easily have cooperated with the extraterrestrials in their mission on Earth.

However, I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that the extraterrestrials themselves have their own ancient religions derived from when their own cultures' early contact with other extraterrestrials!

Ultimately, I think that the religion of the future will not place its emphasis on trying to rationalize the existence and nature of the cosmos or in promising "good" people (i.e., those that adhere to a particular religions teachings / practices) a rosy afterlife. Rather, I think the religion of the future will stress peace, brotherly love, morality, and ethics. I think the principle of karma ("As ye soweth, so shall ye reapeth") will be central to this advanced form of religion. Strength will not be seen as successfully competing with one's fellow human beings, but, rather, in cooperating with them so that a better world can emerge from it. One will not avoid doing evil because of the fear of eternal punishment in some imagined afterlife, but rather because such evil will be seen to eventually returns to its source with devastating consequences. The emphasis will be on leading the best life possible in this world and only worrying that one makes a effort during one's life to leave a better world behind himself for the next generation to inherit.


ken