A theory about why the number five is so prominent in Johann Bessler's works.

[ME]

hmm, I seems I didn't include that most important connection for my earlier post.
Here it is anyway.

a work of this kind of craftsmanship has, at its basis of motion, many separate pieces of lead. These come in pairs, such that as one of them takes up an outer position, the other takes up a position nearer the axle. Later, they swap places, and so they go on and on changing places all the time.

But about that other clue of interest:

by making the true claim - that no weights hang from the axle of my wheel

A true lack of creativity when this "clue" would exclude options like MT013.

[Georg Künstler]

The problem here is that it doesn't match the clue "in pairs".

[eccentrically1]

"No. 21: This figure has hanging levers A which are internally applied to the cross-poles at B and thus side C becomes lighter; if, however, the lowermost lever is not periodically raised up out of its position and into C, as has already happened at C in the illustration, it remains in its old position."

[sleepy]

Hey ME!
I love that album "Hounds Of Love" ! I especially dig the cello part on the title
track. I can just see old Paddy Mcbush sawing away. Can you see my record collection through my monitor?

[ME]

:-)
While Sleepy rushes through memory lane, I keep working on my [link] psychic abilities... hmpfffff ... almost
-- You never know from which hidden memory the mind makes a useful association with similar logic, which yet seemed so unrelated at first --

Some posts further, I'll continue the MT013 discussion with Georg... I already had. :-\
Sigh Georg... MT013 is just the clearest 'hanging axle' example, but you may add intermeshing-string-connections and things could operate in (variable) pairs if you want. No promises on perpetual mobilisation.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi ME,

MT13 was our first attempt 2002 or so.

http://www.alt.kuenstler-energie.de/img ... mation.avi

good to view, but doesn't break the symmetry.

What we need is different accelerations. This we get with the indirect impact, several times explained.

It is easier to accelerate a weight what is already moving in the same direction as the acceleration.

And in the opposite a weight is heavier when suddenly reversed in the movement.

as the weight act in pairs,
we do the 1 movement on one side with a weight,
and the other movement on the other side with the weight.

There is no need of raising weight, it is only a circle process with different accelerations.

[gravityman52]

His words point to the fact there there are no weights on the wheel.... that the power for the wheel is only a temporary event

[raj]

Hello Georg,

FULL marks from me for your last post.

We need at least two wheels to achieve acceleration, just like in clockwork mechanism, to make minute-hand move faster than hour-hand.

This is what I am trying on my Speed Doubler thread,

Raj

[gravityman52]

His clue that there are no weights having from his axle what did that mean to you as a researcher ?

Is it just possible the clues in MT 17/18 are tied to MT85 so that a childs toy...a hoop and a stick lead us to the most simple of ideas


17 and 18 obviously allow gravity to work on them, which is what we are searching for and MT 85 with the long pendulum with the toe of a foot just giving it a tap is all it needs..... there is no thing to lift up on the opposite side only work being performed on ONE side of the wheel, where it would be full and the other side where it would be empty

[ME]

Clues are not solutions and likely only make real sense in hindsight.
Until you know, all clues are tied to other clues. Until you figure out why not.

[Johndoe2]

His words point to the fact there there are no weights on the wheel.... that the power for the wheel is only a temporary event

But witnesses saw and held weights that were physically removed while they were present . If he did indeed say this then we have mutually exclusive statements and Physicaly witnessed events should take weight over mere statements imo ( even besslers ). Also the noise made indicates weights present.

[Johndoe2]

Clues are not solutions and likely only make real sense in hindsight.
Until you know, all clues are tied to other clues. Until you figure out why not.

Exactly right ME. Its intentiinally a giant rabit hole as intended by bessler.

[preoccupied]

John Collins was trending on twitter but it was a basketball player.

[silent]

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[raj]

I never use any Bessler's clues in my wheel thought process.

Here is picture of me taken some 25 years ago, 15 years before I joined Besslerwheel.com and learnt about his MTs, showing me testing one of my many wheel concepts then.

Raj