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eccentrically1 wrote:Trevor,
If you can get your wheel to turn with gravity, I'll give you 100,000 thalers.
100,000 thalers at 25.984 grams = 83,540.5 troy oz.of silver.
At current price of about $23.20 oz, today's value would be about $1,938,140
At current price of about €17.41 oz, today's value would be about €1,454,440

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Hi E1,
I can build a wheel that has a increase in torque from gravity but it is driven though (Gravity assisted ).

I will build a gravity wheel in time as it is not impossible but it would not be very efficient and would need to be primed first.

You will need your money to replace your old physics books for the new up to date ones, books that say when billions of tons of mass are accelerated by Gravity’s then its Kinetic energy is increased by billions of Jules, you cannot just tip these Jules back into Gravity so you get gravity to do more work to slow down the mass which will take more Jules of energy that you also cannot put back into Gravity. The outcome is spent energy to sustain orbits.

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eccentrically1 wrote:Abhammer,
The details don't make any difference; weights , directions, shapes, materials, distances, circular, linear, whatever.
All machines operate by the same principles. Bessler's was not an exception. He was bluffing too.
Greetings eccentrically1

I don't believe Bessler was bluffing. I already have the design that will work and if you saw the design you would see how it would work as well once you saw the test part in action. The only reason it isn't built now is I have my family and my sons family to support and my armor does that. But it does take time to build the armor as well since I have my disabilities.

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Trevor,
You must have the same new math books Jim has.

Abhammer,
Can you show the test part in action?
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Trevor Lyn Whatford wrote:Hi Alan,
If that was the case then the witnesses would have picked up on the clonk noise when the weights shifted at the start of the new direction. I still think those weights were used as flywheel weights, to keep a steady wheel momentum and motive force. Maybe with just a little movement to bang on the wheel for a noise distraction.
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I will not disagree with weights around the edge for kinetic energy effect. But 8 hard thumps was heard every turn and a led weight will flatten out after impact after impact. But rolling into a slot it will keep its shape as long as it is also a rounded slot. Understanding the metal used can give clues as well. The thump is a sound you will here but it is from something other than a lead weight.

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Alan wrote;
I already have the design that will work and if you saw the design you would see how it would work as well once you saw the test part in action.
I wonder what attitude the response to this will be. Are you giving Jim_Mich a break and placing yourself in the barrel?

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eccentrically1 wrote:Trevor,
You must have the same new math books Jim has.

Abhammer,
Can you show the test part in action?
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Greetings Ralph

No, not at all ( I hope ). I am not saying I have a working wheel, but I am saying I have the design for one. I know it is a bold statement but soon we will see. Just a few more weeks till it is finished between my other work obligations. And it will run off gravity alone.

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eccentrically1

Not yet. As Bessler said something to the effect of one word or phrase can give it all away. But I will show it as soon as I can after all is in order.

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Ok, if you have a gravity wheel in a couple weeks I'll give you 100,000 thalers too.
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eccentrically1 wrote:Trevor,
If you can get your wheel to turn with gravity, I'll give you 100,000 thalers.
Hi E1,

Maths is the problem, you can cheat at maths and adjust the formula’s to suit the desired outcome as seen in the math you have given me links to in the past.

It is much better to look at the energy needed to increase the velocity of orbiting planets mass and see if there is a increase of energy and if there is double it to take care of the energy needed to slow it down again. That is all the formula you need to find if there is a energy input more than zero.

I will also state that if I cannot build a gravity wheel I will not be giving you head! Lol.

Regards Trevor

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Finally we have someone talking sense.

At least gravity is a universal force.

CF is just the bastard child of a mass in rotation.
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eccentrically1 wrote:Ok, if you have a gravity wheel in a couple weeks I'll give you 100,000 thalers too.
4 weeks due to my work load, Please.

PS this is not a sale, just a show.
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Trevor, maybe your wheel will work in orbit around the earth and use the earth's gravity for energy up there. No math necessary.
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Ok make it 4 weeks, I'll have front row seats.
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