http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/

[ovyyus]

Don't you already have eternal salvation?

[Senax]

No, I'm a sinner - just like you - and I'm having to work my
salvation in sweat and tears.

[ovyyus]

You can't know I'm a sinner like you can't know I didn't catch a leprechaun.

[Senax]

It's interesting to compare this picture from the mooie cache with the
Italian Job picture. The first thing that struck me was the number of sector
slots seems to be the same, i.e. 12 x 30°.

The rectangular teeth look pretty solid so one can imagine them catching
the axle of a heavy weight as it falls.



I imagine the 3,500 kilos refers to the sum of the weights which is a
ton less than the Italian Job.

So this is a domestic scale generator.

It will be interesting to see if Sjack complains about abuse of copyright.
That will tell us if he's reading this forum. 😎

[Senax]

Another thing that suggests Sjack may have ditched his previous design is
that the symbol below no longer appears on his website.

....................

I couldn't find it on Google images either. I had to go through the thread
from the beginning.

In fact if you click on the "About" column one finds the image is still there.
See below:



It's a bit irrelevant now. They should change it for their
symbol
and they should get rid of their contact form since it will only annoy people
who try to make contact and get ignored. Not good public relations.

[Senax]

Javier seems to be an architect - which explains the pretty picture of the wheel.

The "Moreover he is a nice person" made me smile.

[Senax]

In one of his bulletins (now deleted from his website) Sjack made the
following announcement:



Now an output of one MegaWatt is 1300 horsepower which is 300 hp more
than an formula one engine 🏎️
or the Merlin engine that powered the Spitfire.🛩️

Compared to the maximum possible output of the Bessler Wheel 🎡
it is fantastic to put it mildly.
It is of two orders of magnitude greater.

Is such a claim in anyway credible?

Have they made a mistake in the maths and got the decimal place wrong?

Are they as deluded as the Brazilian billionaire?

Are they engaged in a humongous scam?

What do you think?

[WaltzCee]

What I think is I could personally never in a million years imagine making the claims these
people are making if it were not true. However, that's just me. There are some incredible
Scoundrels out there that are willing to say anything.

I think that 1300 horsepower is a little less than a couple of ton spinning at 30 RPM(@ 1 ft). The
real question is when it falls through their 1 to 3 meter DropZone how the hell did they get it
home. The energy from recovered pneumatics? There are a lot of mooie questions to this
mooie energy source.

I showed the patent to a patent examiner the other day. He told me that it's just an
application. I did not know that. Now I do and you do also.

[Senax]

I think that 1300 horsepower is a little less than a couple of ton spinning at 30 RPM. The
real question is when it falls through their 1 to 3 meter DropZone how the hell did they get it
home. The energy from recovered pneumatics? There are a lot of mooie questions to this
mooie energy source.

That is indeed the real question - and I agree with you that it is difficult to see
Sjack Abeling as a scoundrel.

Maybe there is no Bessler style free fall of weights.
Maybe Sjack has hit on the same principle as in the Dominant Flywheel.
by bailywick1.
No free fall of weights there.

But there was a spring, wasn't there.

And mooie has two pneumatic springs,
one for going up in the deceleration zone at 10 o'clock,
one for going down in the acceleration zone at 2 o'clock.

(you mentioned the patent. Is there a link I could have)

[WaltzCee]

I've found what appears to be the international patent application for Sjack Abeling's latest stuff. It's different from his prior design.


Here's a clickable link to Abeling's website:

http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/

Here's the patent application on Google Patents:

"Improved flywheel and device for rotating a shaft provided with the flywheel by means of gravitational force"

https://patents.google.com/patent/WO201 ... us+abeling

Here's a link to the pdf file:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 9472A1.pdf

Here are some more patents by Jacobus Johanne Abeling (who we know as Sjack Abeling). This lists both his first and his latest gravity wheel designs and some other things that seem to be unrelated.

https://patents.google.com/?inventor=ja ... us+abeling

The attachments are from screen shots of the drawings in the pdf file.

It appears he is using hydraulic, pneumatic or electrical actuators - and states that they require an external energy input - to shift levered weights on a flywheel. He seems to be claiming excess e7nergy from gravity, though I don't see much in the way of a scientific explanation as to how that energy is supposedly derived.

I'm not sure if the pictures we've seen from the website match what the patent drawings show or not. Maybe I can make out an air tank and pneumatic actuators in the website photos, but if they are real, it all looks kind of big, messy and complicated.

Anyway, feel free to copy this post and the following to any other Abeling threads.

From the first page of the thread. Also I edited my post above you after you snagged it but
before you posted it. The correction's in blue.

You're very polite Frank, and I know you're going to thank me. So I'm just going to go ahead
and tell you that you are quite welcome before you even get the chance to thank me.
You are welcome.

[Senax]

Many thanks Walter. I'll have a look.

Mmm...

Plenty to think about there, eh! 😊

I suppose patents are intended to be easily understood.

I noticed your edit was at 8.30 so I'm glad I managed to get my
thanks in at 8.21.

[WaltzCee]

You can't know I'm a sinner like you can't know I didn't catch a leprechaun.

Confession is good for the soul. I have a confession. I am a member of a secret society.
Upon pain of death, I swore never to declare the name of this organization. All of a sudden
I just don't care. It's name is L. A. W. ( Leprechaun Association of the World).

My initiation Rite to join this organization required me to take a little bunny and talk it out of
its fur and intestinal tract and turn that little bunny into fricassee. That little sucker was
delicious.

Since joining L. A. W. , my duties have been to maintain the registry of leprechauns
throughout the cosmos. I'm pleased to announce that over the last 1500 years we have
never had a leprechaun lose its Lucky Charms. So I know.

I would like to add that some cosmologists suppose the universe is flat. Back in the day
they would be referred to as flat-earthers. I'm in constant contact with leprechauns
throughout the cosmos. I know the universe is not flat. Now you know.

[ovyyus]

I know the universe is not flat.

When you say 'the' universe don't you really mean 'my' universe? Tricky belief likes to conflate the two.

[Senax]

...

It appears he is using hydraulic, pneumatic or electrical actuators - and states that they require an external energy input - to shift levered weights on a flywheel. He seems to be claiming excess energy from gravity, though I don't see much in the way of a scientific explanation as to how that energy is supposedly derived.

I'm not sure if the pictures we've seen from the website match what the patent drawings show or not. Maybe I can make out an air tank and pneumatic actuators in the website photos, but if they are real, it all looks kind of big, messy and complicated.

Anyway, feel free to copy this post and the following to any other Abeling threads.

Having skimmed through the patent, I agree "it all looks kind of big, messy and
complicated" compared to the lucid simplicity of the Dominant Flywheel, for example.

As for scientific explanation I doubt he has a clue - which is his Achilles heel.

External energy input is fair enough at start up but if it is needed continuously
then there are possibilities of self deception.

[Senax]

from the Italian Mooie site

Energy is produced thanks to a patented system of invention called MHS (Mechanical Hinge System) which, thanks to the targeted intervention of compressed air, changes the position of each mass anchored to the center of it during its rotary movement.

The system has a total of 3 masses of 1.5ton each. The MHS is activated, for each mass, at a particular moment of their journey so that they always assume a position such that a complete rotation is possible.

The kinetic energy of the system is therefore transmitted to an alternator for the production of electricity, with a 4% self-consumption

The patent drawings are beginning to make a bit more sense now.

The strain energy transfer is concentrated at the centre rather than
at the periphery. The 4% "self-consumption" sounds as though they know
what they are doing so I look forward to the official unveiling.