Crazy as can be wheel concept

[Wubbly]

Looks like you are trying to build one of path_finder's animations.

For example, look at his 2009 post here: https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/view ... 5325#55325

Sometimes I like to look through the albums page. Here's path_finders albums page: https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?u=1323

[Tarsier79]

Pathfinder had some excellent ideas, and I loved his builds.

IMO, this is the perfect analogy for Raj's current design.

It was not due to "friction" that particular design doesn't work. Brilliant and simple way to execute the weight path though.

[raj]

YES, the motion of pendulums looks a bit similar, but how the lifting is done differs COMPLETELY.

I hadn't seen this Path_finder's design before you've shown me today.

His design of doing lifting by cords/springs/levers inside a single wheel, has been tried by many, including me, in several concepts.

I FEEL attempts are being made to show there is NOTHING , no part/s, NEW in my Pendulum Wheel concept.
THAT doesn't worry me.

Raj

[raj]

I have improvised stands for my pendulums wheel.

I am getting optimistic as day passes.

Raj

[raj]

WATCH THIS video on youtube, of a computer simulation of my Pendulums Wheel concept by somebody from this forum who asked me to remain anonymous:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ymrt-LfbXN4 ... e=youtu.be

Raj

[Robinhood46]

Raj,
It is a very good simulation. I gave a thumbs up for that.
I can't see very clearly how the little wheel with the moving parts is being synchronised with the main wheel.
If you are hoping that it will simply continually roll to the right all by itself, then you can put it on a flat surface to see if it does so. If it does you have already found PM so there is no need to put it in another wheel and if it doesn't, putting it in another wheel will not change anything. This is exactly the same problem that Georg is finding with his octagon.
These are just my thoughts from the information available.
If there is some additional mechanisme that is doing something not shown, then obviously anyone's thoughts have no meaning.
I do hope i am wrong and it works, but i really can't see it.
Keep seeking.

[raj]

I am continuously seeking until I find. "seek and you will find"

What about you? Have stop seeking/searching and given up?

By the way, I don't hear from Lucky Luke who draws faster than his shadow.

Raj

[Robinhood46]

What about you? Have stop seeking/searching and given up?

Yes Raj,
I have given up.
I've thrown in the towel.
I've stopped kidding myself i can do the impossible.

I tried for long enough, one must learn to accept things, irrespective if we like them or not.
I was a believer, i really thought i could do it.
Seeing that other people had maneged it, i thought i'd give it go.
It has been a complete waste of time. i could have been doing other things way more constructive.
I'm just fed up with going around in circles and not being able to understand what the hell should be happening.
I often thought i was making progress, only to learn it was just an illusion.
If i try this it may work if i try that it may work, fat chance, there is just no way it is going to happen.
The frustration of believing i had finally maneged to actually understand how to make it work and the deception of the bitter truth that i haven't.
I just can't take the psychological strain any more.
I've given up.

So it's back to cuts, bruises, splinters and heavy things falling on my toes. I have a lot more chance of getting somewhere than with bloody simulators on my stupid computer.

[raj]

I DON'T know how old you are.

I AM 75 YEARS old and 24 hours a day to live, with 8 hours sleep, i must have some good habits to cling to, for my mental and physical health.
So what a better way to waste my time than trying the impossible.

Raj

[John Collins]

I’m too, am 75 years old raj, but I only sleep 6 hours a night, not through choice, but I just can’t sleep any longer than that and it’s been like that for about 25 years. I too, will never give up building, sims are beyond my Ken!.

JC

[raj]

Dear JC,

I wish I could have met you when I was last year in UK.

Most likely I'll be visiting my children and grandchildren next year, if lockdown is lifted by then.

YOU AND I ARE OF THE 6O'S YOUNG MEN. THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!

Raj

[raj]

HERE is my refined pendulums wheel concept:

1. large wheel1 on hub3 on axle4.

2. smaller wheel5 on axle6, geared to same diameter as hub4 and rotates at same rpm.

3. pendulums8 and bobs/weights9 swing at 45 degrees intervals on rim of wheel1 and at 45 degrees intervals on strings10 on rim of wheel5 and rest on pegs radially close to axle4 on counter-clockwise side and swing further from axle4 on the clockwise side, providing torque and momentum for rotation.

4. diameter of large wheel1 is x units, and diameters of hub3 and wheel5 are the same , x/8 units.

5. lengths of pendulums and strings are the same, x/4 units.

IT certainly looks easier to calculate torque in this new refined pendulums concept.

Raj

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Raj,

seems that you try a release and catch function on the right side.

It will be difficult to achieve this by the timing and turning of the wheel.
Anyhow, It will balance, as I can see it.

[raj]

Hello Georg,
Since I can’t provide PoC, I can only show what and how I see things in my concept.

So what do I see in my drawing:

1. I see two wheels, wheel1, 16 units diameter and wheel5 2 units diameter, geared to rotate at the same rpm.

2. As such, I see any single weight connected in any way, to any one or both wheels anywhere inside or outside the wheel/s, on the same side of both wheels, will provide the same and only one gravitational force/torque to both wheels, due to their gearing ratio, between the hub3 of wheel1 and wheel5 is 1:1 and their axles are in a vertical line, making their horizontal distances times the weight mass ( torque ) same for both wheels, as one wheel.

3. Lifting of weights at the 6 o’clock position on the lower wheel, is done by strings connected also at the 6 o’clock position on the upper wheel, making sure that the same one torque per weight is applied to both wheels, regardless to direction of rotation.

4. Therefore finding torque by each weight and direction of net torque is easy just by considering the positions of each of the eight weights in the drawing.

5. I see net clockwise torque, resetting every 45 degrees rotation.

I know what advice I am likely to get:
“Just build it!!!�

Raj

[ME]

Ray, for the pendulum-wheel you can see that the 1:30 pendulum has dropped several grid points compared to the 12:00 position: It lost gravitational potential energy.
To reposition the pendulum at 6:00 again you can see at 4:30 that the pendulum has to rise again: Needing gravitational potential energy.