Another claim to a working device...

[Grimer]

... I guess maybe I just don't get it. ;)

You don't get it at present. The cognitive dissonance is just too great.
You will get it eventually. After all, as Keeper of the Wheel (sounds like a new order of knighthood) it's in your interest to "get it".

Anyway, I'm grateful for the irritating grain of sand you provided. No doubt you'll feature prominently when the history of BesslerWheel is written.

[Grimer]

You are starting with an experiment that prevents any back torque due to the stop. Please explain how this works after it is rotating and the stop is no longer valid.

Sorry to be so long in answering this. I got caught up with the other posts.

The stop is only there from the start of the simple single weight pendulum drop to the moment of impact. It is only replaced just before the start of the next cycle which is an exact repeat of the first.

[Dunesbury]

Other question for you: at moment of impulse does falling weight need overcome inertia of weight at 9? Stop not causing asymmetric action of gravity. Gravity still pulling down, earth reaction removed at moment of impulse. Simulation show my earlier comment. It rotate few degrees, then stop.
Impact engines need flubber with elasticity of 1 plus. Rebound more than perfect, each cycle longer.
Did Bessler have flubber?

[justsomeone]

Frank, why do you have a hissy fit every time I question your theory with simple questions? I have always been respectful toward you. Till now.

I think you are clueless. You keep saying you know how the KENO wheel works. Prove it! Show the exact weight placements, show exactly where they shift through the 360 deg cycle, explain whether or not the two wheels turn at the same rpms etc. etc. You can not , can you?

Your theory is so full of holes that it certainly don't hold water.

I am kinda tired of your condescending attitude toward those that don't just BELIEVE you blindly. As it has been explained to you by Tarsier, it is a simple experiment . Can you handle a simple pop experiment?

[Tarsier79]

Justsomeone wrote:

True Dax. Grimer plans on eliminating that loss with a one way clutch or a stop as in the video. This only works for the start up and once in rotation it would be useless. I guess maybe I just don't get it. ;)

That is true, however, if there was enough energy for the reset (and I do not believe there is), you could capture the energy of the rotation, and bring the wheel to a stop every 180 or 360 degrees. All the energy you capture is available for use, as the mechanism would reset itself.

I wanted to post a pic, but the attachment problem is still not resolved. Since others are having the same problem, I suspect it is a problem with the site, not my personal limit.

Grimer, regarding the first video: on the first bounce, the position the right hand ball of the compound pendulum reaches -0.359m. This is the point it has no energy left, and begins to ascend. The simple pendulum, after its perfect bounce and no wind resistance rises to -0.359m. Again this is the point at which the rising pendulum has no energy left, and gravity pushes it down. This is measured by the sim. Do you think it a coincidence they both reach that exact point in simulation? This leaves no left over energy for rotation.

[justsomeone]

But Tarsier, maybe you just don't get it. :)

[Tarsier79]

No Justsomeone, I obviously don't. ;) I'm a sucker for punishment though.

[justsomeone]

Hey Grimmer, Since I will be swimming in millions thanks to you, I want to let you profit also. Please just send me $ 500,000.00 us and I will ship you the wheel. You will be rich!!!

[murilo]

Wow and Wooooshhhhhh.... B))))))))
So much cash, all around...
Guys, here is my empty and clean pan:

\_______/

[rlortie]

Hey Grimmer, Since I will be swimming in millions thanks to you, I want to let you profit also. Please just send me $ 500,000.00 us and I will ship you the wheel. You will be rich!!!

Wow! what a deal, that is better than the offer I got from my local tool supplier. They offered me two free if I bought three at the regular price of five. I was at their door before they opened!

Ralph

[Grimer]

No Justsomeone, I obviously don't. ;) I'm a sucker for punishment though.

In setting up the sims you've made a mistake. I realised you must have done because the final difference between the 1 and the 7 position is too small to be the result of an interaction between masses of 1 and 11 - but it took me some time to see where you had gone wrong.

I'll give you a clue.

You have treated it as an engineering problem and not a problem in applied mathematics.

Now go figure.

[Grimer]

Frank, why do you have a hissy fit every time I question your theory with simple questions? I have always been respectful toward you. Till now.

I think you are clueless. You keep saying you know how the KENO wheel works. Prove it! Show the exact weight placements, show exactly where they shift through the 360 deg cycle, explain whether or not the two wheels turn at the same rpms etc. etc. You can not , can you?

Your theory is so full of holes that it certainly don't hold water.

I am kinda tired of your condescending attitude toward those that don't just BELIEVE you blindly. As it has been explained to you by Tarsier, it is a simple experiment . Can you handle a simple pop experiment?

I love it when people get really insulting. ;-)

[daxwc]

The real problem is I do get it 8/

[Tarsier79]

You have treated it as an engineering problem and not a problem in applied mathematics.

I have varied a number of components since posting that video. I assume you mean the vertical bar has some mass changing the inertia of the compound pendulum? Correct! But, changing that to virtually nothing still produces the same result, only at a slightly different rotation. If you impart more rotation to the compound pendulum, you have less energy in the simple pendulum to lift back up.

Grimer, do you understand why both pendulums in the simulation come to exactly the same vertical height? If you do, then you understand the need to do some real world POP tests if you want to take this further.

[Grimer]

Nope. It's not that. Try again.

If you do it correctly then you will get the pendulum retuning exactly to its position relative to the compound pendulum and the combination will rotate at constant speed to the beginning of the next cycle.

Energy has to be taken out in the manner I described to get it to stop at the cycle start position.