Question for Bill

[jim_mich]

I have seen what Bessler speaks about. As a child I would visit the local water powered mill where my dad had corn ground into cow feed. There was always many birds that feasted on the spilled grain that was always present around the mill. These birds would peck and fight with each other over the spilled grain, even though there was more grain than any of them could ever possibly eat. The same thing happens when you feed chickens, they fight over the chicken feed even though there is no reason to fight.

[winkle]

Stewart

as is usual what you're saying makes sense

[winkle]

I have seen what Bessler speaks about. As a child I would visit the local water powered mill where my dad had corn ground into cow feed. There was always many birds that feasted on the spilled grain that was always present around the mill. These birds would peck and fight with each other over the spilled grain, even though there was more grain than any of them could ever possibly eat. The same thing happens when you feed chickens, they fight over the chicken feed even though there is no reason to fight.

kinda like some of the stuff that goes on here when someone wakes up in a bad mood

[Stewart]

Hi Jim

Yes, I've also witnessed starlings/sparrows fighting over food. European starlings can be quite vicious:

"Fights between males over breeding sites may result in death. The birds peck at each other while gripping each other with their feet. Starlings are also known to fight over food. Their fights include screaming, stabbing, and kicking."

http://extras.montereyherald.com/slides ... index.html

I've been talking to Rainer today about that part and we're working on refining the translation - I'll post more about it in my forum when we've finished. However, as you point out the analogy may be as simple as too many sparrows and they each get nothing due to all the fighting. If sparrows = weights, then too many weights and you also get nothing. We've got some other ideas about what it means, and I'll post more about this once I've finished going over the translations with Rainer.

All the best
Stewart

[scott]

While we're on the subject of air, has anyone considered "air pressure" ?

At sea level the atmospheric pressure is 14.6 lb/squ in. That's quite a force, and maybe the "secret force" missing in this puzzle...

Hi Graham, you may be interested in my 5,500 foot tall air pressure engine design from 2002:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/231.html

Not the most practical thing to build :-) but the concept might still be plausible.

-Scott

[winkle]

Stewart

I've been talking to Rainer today about that part and we're working on refining the translation - I'll post more about it in my forum when we've finished

is it posable to read what you have translated of Bessler's writings

[Stewart]

Hi Winkle

I've made you a member of my forum - you can see some of the translations I'm working on in there. Other translations such as MT will hopefully be available on my own website soon.

Stewart

[graham]

Hi Scott, thanks for the link to your air pressure engine. It might even work by golly !!
I had something a little smaller in mind.

Graham

[bluesgtr44]

You know, another part of AP that intrigues me as far as some hidden meaning is the "up, up and away as fast as you can!"

I really see no reason this whole passage should be of such interest for him to insert it. The whole concept of the wagon "sliding" into the river during a storm, staying afloat for some time until they were able reach the bank.....anybody else see anything in this?


Steve

[Stewart]

You know, another part of AP that intrigues me as far as some hidden meaning is the "up, up and away as fast as you can!"

That's not exactly how Bessler puts it:

Und endlich zu dem Ufer kam/
Ließ ich den Kutscher scharf nauf lencken/ &c.

and eventually came to the bank,
I let the coachman steer/drive sharply/steeply upwards, &c.

or:

I left the coachman [to] steer/drive sharply/steeply upwards, &c.

I really see no reason this whole passage should be of such interest for him to insert it.

It seems like quite an exciting and life-changing event to included in your autobiography, if it really happened. There could also be some other hidden meaning behind it, but I don't know what that might be at the moment.

Stewart

[winkle]

Stewart

i now understand he was talking about the inside of the working parts of the wheel fighting as were those birds

i'm a little slow but once in a while i get there

[rlortie]

I left the coachman [to] steer/drive sharply/steeply upwards, &c.

If this discussion is in any way connected to Bessler describing his wheel or leaving a clue, I would think that the word "left" is the key!

He left the coach so the coachman could drive sharply/steeply upwards without his additional weight in the carriage.

Ralph

[Fletcher]

If it was ? .. he hopped out [making the coach lighter] & the coachman drove the horses up the incline more easily with less weight to carry - assumption - he made his own way up & then hopped on board again to continue the journey - similar to Ralph's, but would suggest that the weight has to find its own way up ?!

[bluesgtr44]

Steve wrote:
I really see no reason this whole passage should be of such interest for him to insert it.

It seems like quite an exciting and life-changing event to included in your autobiography, if it really happened. There could also be some other hidden meaning behind it, but I don't know what that might be at the moment.

You're right, Stewart. Maybe it's just me....the way it came across to me when I first read the book, it seemed out of sorts with the flow up to that point. It just seems to get a little more detailed than anything previous. He admits to having been a bit cantancorous in his youth and fortunate that some situations did not become fisticuffs or even a duel. Some could say those would be just as interesting stories to be so detailed about, yet he chose this one.

Steve

P.S. There is a writing term for what I am trying to say here....something about 1st person and 2nd person.....he became more "personal" when describing this incident

[wikiwheel]

I believe the sparrows represent perpetual motion enthusiasts, and the wheel, a roundtable discussion of PM.

mik