Jim,
Unstable just sent me this via private post, I thought it rather fitting for the present occasion.
One friend said to the other, “What is a dilemma, actually?�
He replied, “Well, there's nothing better than an example to illustrate that. Imagine that you are laying in a big bed with a beautiful naked young woman on one side and a gay man on the other.
Who are you going to turn your back on?
Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
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re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
Not the same, Ralph.rlortie wrote:Murilo is standing ground with his design, you are doing likewise with your Cf design. You are telling Murilo that it will not work. Cloud Camper is telling you yours will not work.
Murilo's design is fully revealed and it can be assessed. Analysis shows it is unworkable.
Jim's design is not yet revealed and it can not be assessed. Some people guess that it is unworkable.
Guessing proves nothing and helps no one.
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Ralph is right - just get on with it! Build the frikkin thing and see if it works.rlortie wrote: Get off the internet, oil up the lathe and get your hands dirty.
Ralph
Put down the mouse now and go out to the shop.
Personally, I would be thrilled to be proved wrong. I would love to see
dozens of working designs out there to shake up the energy cartels fat and happy status quo.
Fortunately or unfortunately though, I have had enough training in the physics and math concepts involved to predict it has no chance of operation.
But I would be the least important person to eat crow if it functioned as claimed!
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
Guys,
very recently, posts show that Jim_Mich and ovyyus do not understand exactly to my design on avalanchedrive! They just don't get tired to stay trolling about. 8(
Also very new for me, we could see Ralph showing points where appear some doubts where before he SHOWED 'true and sure opinions'... he moved to flexible appreciations and said to have doubts about how would/should be the reversion, point that I responded very quickly.
Ralph; that decided to keep silent; said in the thread that it would turn and said in which conditions it would!
What I have to say is this and please try to understand my poor English in the name and honor of your testicles, if you have them:
Nobody is obliged and forced to be honest, intelligent or good-guy with nobody else.
Conscious intends are enough a charge to support... even if this behavior show the award gain of 5 green dots!
Nobody is even obliged to send opinions on anything if he doesn't want, or even if he doesn't like the person.
BUT, I feel as a crime when any guy talks with strong force and VERY wick arguments about a stuff he just doesn't understood well!
(possibly Jim is now increasing his trolling behavior in the intention to deviate the forum attention from something else...)
WOOOSH!!! 8((((
Murilo
very recently, posts show that Jim_Mich and ovyyus do not understand exactly to my design on avalanchedrive! They just don't get tired to stay trolling about. 8(
Also very new for me, we could see Ralph showing points where appear some doubts where before he SHOWED 'true and sure opinions'... he moved to flexible appreciations and said to have doubts about how would/should be the reversion, point that I responded very quickly.
Ralph; that decided to keep silent; said in the thread that it would turn and said in which conditions it would!
What I have to say is this and please try to understand my poor English in the name and honor of your testicles, if you have them:
Nobody is obliged and forced to be honest, intelligent or good-guy with nobody else.
Conscious intends are enough a charge to support... even if this behavior show the award gain of 5 green dots!
Nobody is even obliged to send opinions on anything if he doesn't want, or even if he doesn't like the person.
BUT, I feel as a crime when any guy talks with strong force and VERY wick arguments about a stuff he just doesn't understood well!
(possibly Jim is now increasing his trolling behavior in the intention to deviate the forum attention from something else...)
WOOOSH!!! 8((((
Murilo
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
Bill wrote: "Murilo's design is fully revealed and it can be assessed. Analysis shows it is unworkable."
Bill, you have a point, since Jim has said it will not work, he should leave it at that, no farther response to any accusations from Murilo. I think members with half a brain will not degrade Jim's forum standing. He keeps stirring the pot in fear that it will.
Same with Cloud Camper, if in the past you had a slight case of "foot in mouth" disease and said something about your UN-conventional ideas, it is only proper to show objective proof to back up your claim. If you cannot then "fess up".
Ralph
Bill, you have a point, since Jim has said it will not work, he should leave it at that, no farther response to any accusations from Murilo. I think members with half a brain will not degrade Jim's forum standing. He keeps stirring the pot in fear that it will.
Same with Cloud Camper, if in the past you had a slight case of "foot in mouth" disease and said something about your UN-conventional ideas, it is only proper to show objective proof to back up your claim. If you cannot then "fess up".
Ralph
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
Darling Murilo, if you really want to be heard then try making your font bold and extra large. Maybe also colour it red. If that doesn't work then try capitalizing everything and double space your lines. Surely then people must understand :D
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re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
I also hate Murillo posting his designs in so many threads.
. I can assure the reader that there is something special behind the stork's bills.
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
Murilo,
You wrote: "Ralph; that decided to keep silent; said in the thread that it would turn and said in which conditions it would!"
Sorry old pal, that is not quite correct. Lets blame it on language problems, but what I said was it may or may not help. I was only throwing a suggestion your way.
Trevor then rebuked my proposal in a manner that I am inclined to agree with.
I will discuss this in depth on the appropriate thread.
Ralph
You wrote: "Ralph; that decided to keep silent; said in the thread that it would turn and said in which conditions it would!"
Sorry old pal, that is not quite correct. Lets blame it on language problems, but what I said was it may or may not help. I was only throwing a suggestion your way.
Trevor then rebuked my proposal in a manner that I am inclined to agree with.
I will discuss this in depth on the appropriate thread.
Ralph
Here is the problem. murilo says I don't understand.
I think I'll put you on ignore.
Murilo, do not say that I don't understand. That is an insult. Stop insulting me. I built a computer program to prove your wheel, and your wheel failed to work. I understand completely, explicitly, fully, absolutely everything about your wheel. You have posted your wheel 50 times on this forum. Most member only post their ideas a once or twice.murilo wrote:very recently, posts show that Jim_Mich and ovyyus do not understand exactly to my design on avalanchedrive!
I think I'll put you on ignore.
Don't flatter yourself.cloud camper wrote:Fortunately or unfortunately though, I have had enough training in the physics and math concepts involved to predict it has no chance of operation.
Do you assume that I have no training. Do you assume that because I pursue perpetual motion that I'm ignorant and unintelligent. Your insult me.
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re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
Hi bill,
I for one I believe that the Avalanche Drive is workable when the R&D is finished!
But I do believe that CF is a generated force needing a energy input, so it is unworkable without a energy or force input!
What would Jim do if some one on the forum said that they had a runner but was not going to tell you what it is, from past experience he would red dot them, and try to get them in to the fraud section, it seems he has broken his own rule here, so it seems a bit like double standards to me!
That how I see it.
I was going to stand back and wait for the good news, but for your post, and I hope that there is still going to be a happy ending here!
With respect to all members, Trevor
I for one I believe that the Avalanche Drive is workable when the R&D is finished!
But I do believe that CF is a generated force needing a energy input, so it is unworkable without a energy or force input!
What would Jim do if some one on the forum said that they had a runner but was not going to tell you what it is, from past experience he would red dot them, and try to get them in to the fraud section, it seems he has broken his own rule here, so it seems a bit like double standards to me!
That how I see it.
I was going to stand back and wait for the good news, but for your post, and I hope that there is still going to be a happy ending here!
With respect to all members, Trevor
I have been wrong before!
I have been right before!
Hindsight will tell us!
I have been right before!
Hindsight will tell us!
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
"I think I'll put you on ignore."
Good idea Jim, if you cannot bring yourself to stop retaliating every time he repeats his accusations. If he has posted it 50 times, how many times have you responded? You know that to argue with a fool will only bring you down to their level, is that what you want.
Remember if you ignore him, that does not stop him from farther accusations. Every time he messes up a thread, sit back and sing: "There, he said it again"...
Do not worry about your own image, Murilo is not going to change that unless you keep responding as you have just done again.
He is now claiming that i said his machine will work! needless to say; he does not understand.
Ralph
Good idea Jim, if you cannot bring yourself to stop retaliating every time he repeats his accusations. If he has posted it 50 times, how many times have you responded? You know that to argue with a fool will only bring you down to their level, is that what you want.
Remember if you ignore him, that does not stop him from farther accusations. Every time he messes up a thread, sit back and sing: "There, he said it again"...
Do not worry about your own image, Murilo is not going to change that unless you keep responding as you have just done again.
He is now claiming that i said his machine will work! needless to say; he does not understand.
Ralph
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
I believe you :DTrevor Lyn Whatford wrote:I for one I believe that the Avalanche Drive is workable when the R&D is finished!
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
cloud camper wrote:
'Fortunately or unfortunately though, I have had enough training in the physics and math concepts involved to predict it has no chance of operation.
If you are not willing or open for the possibility of someone upsetting the laws of conservation/motion laid forth by the learned, saying that it is impossible as it has never been done, then what are you here for?
Your training in physics and math only takes you as far as the present, what did the present look like in 1712 to 1850? Has anything changed that then was believed impossible? Give a man with a dream a chance to prove that not all is solidified in known laws of physics.
Ralph
'Fortunately or unfortunately though, I have had enough training in the physics and math concepts involved to predict it has no chance of operation.
If you are not willing or open for the possibility of someone upsetting the laws of conservation/motion laid forth by the learned, saying that it is impossible as it has never been done, then what are you here for?
Your training in physics and math only takes you as far as the present, what did the present look like in 1712 to 1850? Has anything changed that then was believed impossible? Give a man with a dream a chance to prove that not all is solidified in known laws of physics.
Ralph
re: Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.
That is 50 pictures posted of his avalanche drive. The total number of his postings about it are many times that number. And I've only replied to his postings when people start commenting that his wheel might work.Ralph wrote: If he has posted it 50 times, how many times have you responded?
Link to murilo's pictures: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?u=21