http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/

[Senax]

It is now 4 years since the start of the mooie "Revolution".
One wonders how long we will have to wait for a resolution.
Are we facing another RAR which looks as though it will never be resolved?
Their site can no longer be reached so we my never hear the end of that story.
Perhaps when the billionaire dies someone will provide us with an exposé.

However, there are aspects of mooie which gives me hope of a good outcome.
One is the appearance of the Italian mooie but more importantly the fact that
there is a rational argument NG can be harnessed by use of a spring to carry
NG energy up the NG gradient without significant loss since the weight of the
spring is negligible compared to the energy it contains.

This has been discussed at length on this forum. Even the use of a pneumatic
spring as outlined by mooie has been suggested in a sketch by Edwin.

Also it has been shown that a multiple 360° free fall pendulum device has a
gravitational potential greater than the same pendulum rotating at a constant r.p.m.

The reason I'm revisiting this subject is that I have realised that a full circle
pendulum can be kept in constant motion by the input of purely horizontal
translational kinetic energy with no vertical component. This resolves the
tricky problem of how to apply the spring energy, a problem which bailywick1
managed to overcome with his Dominant Flywheel device.

More later.

[WaltzCee]

Also it has been shown that a multiple 360° free fall pendulum device has a
gravitational potential greater than the same pendulum rotating at a constant r.p.m.

The reason I'm revisiting this subject is that I have realised that a full circle
pendulum can be kept in constant motion by the input of purely horizontal
translational kinetic energy with no vertical component. This resolves the
tricky problem of how to apply the spring energy, a problem which bailywick1
managed to overcome with his Dominant Flywheel device.

More later.

It's later.

[Senax]

Indeed it is later - but not that much. 😊

However, here's an executive summary, part 1.

Instead of using a spring you can simply move the wheel and bob horizontally.
The bob doesn't distinguish what is giving rise to its movement
so moving the axle is equivalent to using a spring.

Moving the axle/pivot backwards and forward horizontally by hand can, with a
bit of practice can generate continuous circular motion.
Try it for yourself with a simple pendulum.

Bailywick1 achieved this continuous motion with a tuned spring.
Manual movement achieves this with the same kind of intuitive feedback
mechanism one uses to ride a bicycle.

More later.

[WaltzCee]

Wow, that was close. I thought you were thinking about the skunkworks project I'm working
on mashing the McMurty-Clarkson mechanism with a non running translational energy
generator of the Callaway gravity wheel.

Secret's still safe. Cool. Don't tell anyone or you know what I'm going to have to do.:-)

[Senax]

That's interesting.

I wrote in the contact form of the Italian mooie site and actually got
a reply - which is more than I ever received from the Dutch site.

Re: Mooie Energie Italia "mooieenergie.nl/"
Inbox

Mooie Energie S.r.l. <info@mooie-energie-italia.it>
11:34 (1 hour ago)
to me

Lei chi è?

Il 04/01/2020 16:42, Francis Grimer ha scritto:
> Da: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Oggetto: mooieenergie.nl/
> Telefono:
> Corpo del messaggio:
> Are you connected with the Dutch company of a similar name?
>
> Sei collegato con la compagnia olandese con un nome simile?
>

[silent]

"Who is she?"

That's a weird response.

silent

[Georg Künstler]

They are asking:

Lei chi è?

Who are you,

because they don't know Senax.

[Senax]

I think you mean they don't know "Francis Grimer".

[Senax]

"Who is she?"

That's a weird response.

silent

I think a better translation is Georg's,
i.e. Who are you?

[WaltzCee]

It's never a good sign when people answer a question with a question.

Who Frank is is not important. You should write them back Frank and tell them
you're just a very stupid person with a whole lot of money. I think that's what they're
looking for. Maybe then they'll be willing to talk.

[Senax]

It's never a good sign when people answer a question with a question.

Who Frank is is not important. You should write them back Frank and tell them
you're just a very stupid person with a whole lot of money. I think that's what they're
looking for. Maybe then they'll be willing to talk.

Good point. I'm tempted to write back and quote you. &#128513;
.....and add that I'm afraid I'm just a very intelligent person with absolutely
no money at all.

[Senax]

Indeed it is later - but not that much. &#128522;

However, here's an executive summary, part 1.

Instead of using a spring you can simply move the wheel and bob horizontally.
The bob doesn't distinguish what is giving rise to its movement
so moving the axle is equivalent to using a spring.

Moving the axle/pivot backwards and forward horizontally by hand can, with a
bit of practice, generate continuous circular motion.
Try it for yourself with a simple pendulum.

Bailywick1 achieved this continuous motion with a tuned spring.
Manual movement achieves this with the same kind of intuitive feedback
mechanism one uses to ride a bicycle.

More later.

Getting back on track before I'm set upon by Walter...&#128558;.. it might be
thought that movement of the hand back and forward horizontally is giving
the compound pendulum (the combined bob and wheel) enough energy to
go over the top and so continue on rotating through a full circle.

But this is impossible.

Energy generated in a horizontal direction can not lead to energy gain in
a vertical direction.

But what about the fact that vertical forces are obviously generated by the
horizontal movement?

Force is not energy. Force times distance is energy.

If the forces generated by the horizontal movements are suppressed - by a
pair of rails above and below, say - then the movement of those forces is
negligible, ergo, the energy generated by those forces is also negligible.

More later.

[WaltzCee]

Hey Frank,

I don't really know what to think. I just try to keep an eye on those who are making claims.
History, of course, would show that when it comes to this sort of stuff most will almost
certainly not have what they claim, but since I do have ideas of my own that I think could
"possibly" work, I'm maybe a bit more open to the possibility that others might one day
prove to be successful with something.

When I bother, I try to analyze other people's stuff based upon what I know of conventional
physics, but I also try to see if others' claims could in any way fit in with my own more
speculative notions.

Since Abeling is spending money to get patents, he may be a true believer. ...or I guess he
could even be a fraudster with just enough of a public presence that he can discretely lure
in investors behind the scenes.

He seems to me to be a bit too patient and quiet to be a hoaxer, but maybe he could be in it
for the long hoax. ...lol.

Due to the relatively limited time of patent protection, once the intellectual property is
secured on a viable technology, I would think that one would want to go as big as possible
as soon as possible afterwards. To be honest, though, what I've seen on Abeling's
"Wordpress" website doesn't give me the impression that those are his plans.

Time will tell, though, I guess.

Initially, I was willing to take these people's word. Considering how they are managing
this project, I'm a little bit more doubtful.

I'm beginning to think they're looking for a few investors to defraud. And they really don't
want any publicity.

[Wubbly]

I'm beginning to think they're looking for a few investors to defraud. And they really don't
want any publicity.

Yup. That's about the only logical conclusion anyone could come to after 10 years. A smart investor would sign a contract saying we will commit X amount of dollars to take your invention to the next level only after you demonstrate a small, independently verifiable, working proof of principle. No working proof of principle, no money. A fake working principle, no money. And if they say they need some money up front to finish up a few things, run don't walk away.

[Senax]

Double post.