The war of the ego about an unrealizable illusion

[unstable]

Thumb up for Marchello !!!

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Do not be offended !
I have always believed to be a little crazy but when I read this forum, sometimes, I feel the most sane in the world :-)))))
Someone here probably has an endogenous production of LSD.

[John Collins]

Well there’s a lot to respond to and I’m not sure it’s worth trying, given the total dismissal of all claims, be it codes or theories about Bessler’s wheel, by all you die-hard sceptics.

All I will say is this. My code breaking only applies to how Bessler’s wheel worked and I will post it all once I’ve finished building what I believe will be a working model. If it works that will be good evidence that the code is real. It will also prove that my explanation of why gravity alone is all that is required to provide continuous energy to drive the machine is correct.

If the model doesn’t work I have also promised to post all the code information so someone else can try to take what I’ve done, forward and complete the working model.

I can’t give an estimate of when I will know if it works but I think it will be soon. I can’t say fairer than that.

JC

[ovyyus]

Good luck as always, John. I've never known you to call your critics rude names because you understand that everyone comes at this puzzle from a different angle. I suspect others might not fare so well in their own critic-infested post-publish world.

BTW, I don't totally dismiss the codes in Bessler's work. I just don't think Bessler's paranoia would ever allow him to publish anything, encoded or not, that might lead someone to decipher his secret. I think Bessler's codes were probably more about marketing his brand to the target audience - the rich elite. It was all about the money.

...If it works that will be good evidence that the code is real.

Shouldn't the opposite also be true? :7)

[unstable]

Good luck, John.
My feeling is that gravity alone can not power a wheel.

[John Collins]

Thanks Bill and yes you’re right....in theory! But even you might well be impressed my discoveries.

Thank you Claudio, I know we have not always seen eye to eye but I hope to persuade you and all the other doubters that I’m right.

JC

[unstable]

Be careful in trying to deceive the force of gravity, it is very vindictive. Remember what happened to Bessler at the end. :-))

[John Collins]

Yes, very ironic wasn’t it!

JC

[Art]

"...given the total dismissal of all claims, be it codes or theories about Bessler’s wheel, by all you die-hard sceptics."

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Luckily almost everybody is sceptical about something different .

But as a group we're sceptical about EVERYTHING .

But sometimes I'm a bit sceptical about that !

[John Collins]

Me too, Art!

JC

[unstable]

John, one day, if you want to, you will explain to me which thought (or intuition) makes you so convinced that it is possible to do what you believe so strongly. I am interested to understand.

[John Collins]

I’ll try Claudio. Perhaps email?

Regards John

[Senax]

I don't have anything to contribute on decoding and so I have virtually kept off this thread.

But I will say, the reason that I think Bessler had what he claims is that I realise pendulums do generate "free" energy in the form of Precession Kinetic Energy, (PKE), which can be transduced to Rotational Kinetic Energy, (RKE), given a suitable mechanism.

Since Bessler rabbits on about things swinging I guess he must have found such a a mechanism.

If he found such a mechanism it's understandable he devised codes so future generations will give him credit for being the original discoverer;
or blame for being such a selfish arsehole as to not reveal it at the time. :-)

[ovyyus]

If he found such a mechanism it's understandable he devised codes so future generations will give him credit for being the original discoverer.

Why would Bessler need to encode anything for credit from future generations when he expected to sell his wheel?

Since Bessler rabbits on about things swinging...

Where does Bessler 'rabbit on' about things swinging?

[eccentrically1]

Helmholtz's lecture for the curious:

https://www.bartleby.com/30/125.html

[ME]

Well there’s a lot to respond to and I’m not sure it’s worth trying, given the total dismissal of all claims, be it codes or theories about Bessler’s wheel, by all you die-hard sceptics.

Total dismissal?
Apparently it is more worth to blame the person than to explain your reasoning. Besides, you had the smallest portion of that post.

We don't have to follow the same belief system in order to investigate perpetual motion.
Heck, I just recently made my whole point, by means of some arguably weird formula for example, that I don't even *have* to belief in Perpetual motion to get me a positive "worthiness-value� for investigating Perpetual motion. That should count for something.
I think it is totally interesting that one occasionally feels the need to express ones underlying motivation, or gives a deeper insight in what they belief or motivates (rationally or not), or once a year 'accidentally' promote a book: why not, or promote Bessler's codes: fine, its relevant; Freemasons/RC/Illumini conspiracies: meh.... we each have our thing.
But these Oy’s attempts of indoctrination? That should bother everyone!!!

(Sorry J.C, you just happened to be there with some unfortunate additions)

All I will say is this. My code breaking only applies to how Bessler’s wheel worked and I will post it all once I’ve finished building what I believe will be a working model. If it works that will be good evidence that the code is real. It will also prove that my explanation of why gravity alone is all that is required to provide continuous energy to drive the machine is correct.

Shouldn't be hard: there are only four totally right/wrong-combinations of code-validity versus machine-implementation :-)

I personally suspect (and this is what I meant earlier) that especially with geometric codes, or otherwise scattered messages, the possibility of cherry-picked biases is significant: You could be lucky though!
But how do these codes work? I guess at best you just get a free interpretable hint. When you need a machine to verify that code, then why do you need that code in the first place? In hindsight it is so much easier to find an order.
My worries doesn't imply that you shouldn't try, just only that I likely wouldn't take that route - that's perhaps my bad, but that makes me a "die-hard skeptic"...? maybe.

Despite our encounter, I really wish you all the best with your attempts. That is what we all try to do when not caught in disillusion.