It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit

[bluesgtr44]

Hey Rob and Fletcher. Not only that, it also gets to a point where you just can't relate to....circle, rectangle, square,and polygon....know what I mean?


Steve

[docfeelsgood]

HELLO everyone ; i am about burned out sick and tired of perpetual motion ! i went tonite and looked at that macho trickster list . now i didn't see a damn thing there i didn't understand on those mersberg ????? wheels. I think i'll open a optometrist shop and make a killing !! now i've had to suffer through reading about the ivy leagers here and all their high marks and class status ! i say bull !! for god's sake you cant recognize a circle with a "T" square on it . the organ pipes are self explanatory . and no they're not musical . good thing i aint your schoolmaster !! i'd come to class with a pickaxe handle and a cat o nine !!! sure as hell wouldn't want any of you readin clues as point man on my platoon !!! as for me i failed sandbox and graduated last in the class but i aint blind !!!!! now i've heard references here to a top with a eyeball on it somewhere . robert this is your job , look it up make one outa your mamas wooden thread spool whittle it down , throw yer toothoicks in the stove and grab a sharpened tinkertoy stick insert it and start spinnin . watch it closely don't stop untill you have the answer !!! its a very important clue and with out it no one will ever make a working machine !!! at least not since besslers idea , i picked you cause you're fresh out of ideas and just idlin . idle hands are the devils workshop !! plus i'm abusing your thread . hope its ok. if not i'm sorry . no i'm not giving out answers so don't even think about askin !!! use your heads for something besides a hat rack !!!!! thank you , regards "DOC"

[rks1878]

Doc,

Your sincerity is appreciated and understood.

My prescription for you is...WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GET GOING!

When the day is dark, and you think you can go no more, that is the time to push harder and grow.

Hope you feel good soon.

robert

[docfeelsgood]

ROBERT ; sorry again for abusing your thread . but it was about at the top of the list and i was ready to write ! i never feel better than when i've got a full charge of adrenaline runnin !! hope no salesman stops by for a couple days . had a couple emails wantin a better explanation of the T square . ok, the square is anchored one end . the crank arm is at apex of stroke . the left end of square extends outside the wheel with a weight meaning it was raised on the outside wheel , now it crosses at that angle to the inner wheel as the weight on square is on the inner side of the wheel . the long leg of square depicts the lower drop out point to outside again . this also states that the wheel was moving clockwise by location of pivot pin on square and weight on outside of wheel . now what the hells so hard about that !!!!!! hmmmm i wonder where the hell i've seen a movement like this before ?????? but as i stated before unless you understand the "top" spinning , pm will never work for any type of pm machine . probley several models could have made it i dont know !! perhaps yours even . i dont keep track of others modols . regards "Doc"

[ME]

Here is a .pdf of the wheel that I've been working on all winter.

Can you explain your wheel a little more?

Question: Why is the velocity a minus number? In the sim, the wheel is clearly turning.

1. as said: Counter clockwise.
2. it is vibrating along the zero-axis. And because the graph is below your screen, it is shown off the axis.. I hope you didn't use this cute little feature of wm2d. (solution: place the graph off the screen borders)

[docfeelsgood]

hello everyone again ; i am making this my final post . before i leave i will give you one last clue . the organ pipes on the mersberg wheel are nothing more than the ratio and gearing between the two wheels . the knob on bottem of wheel is a balance weight . its unfortunate that i took you to the magical spring and that you took a sip , gargled a second , and spit it out !!!!! now you all know what besslers wheel looked like internally . i should also say that this wheel was made by a grandson a few generations removed from johann bessler himself . draw your own conclusions !!! i still thank you all for all your help on this thing . now go play with your" tops". the deal still holds , if you make it i expect some large gratuities ! and Robert , i thank you for the generous use of your thread . hope i didn't screw it up , carry on !!

[John Collins]

"Organ pipes on the Merseburg wheel?.... Knob on the bottom of the wheel?... '..ratio and gearing between the two wheels'?...Macho-trickster list?"

"Your last post"....promise?

John Collins

[docfeelsgood]

well john boy ; you must be really dissapointed that you didn't get an opportunity to make these startling revelations first !!! of course there is always the possibility i might have erred a tad . perhaps the little knob was attatched to a cord that johann used to pull that wound the infamous "clock works" !! now i cant see as well as i used to but i swear those 4 vertical colums on left side of the main wheel at least 1 had the opening of a organ pipe . now if i've erred again perhaps they are organ pipes and theyre programed to play " auld lang sign just for your pleasure !!!! now do you have any more further questions that i have to make an emergency comeback for ???? of course again if i am wrong why dont you straighten the whole forum out as to the real purpose of these items ??????? im waiting breathlessly . any input you can furthur pass on would be most appreciated . ttfn !!!

[ken_behrendt]

Doc wrote:

now i cant see as well as i used to but i swear those 4 vertical colums on left side of the main wheel at least 1 had the opening of a organ pipe .

I think you have misinterpreted those four columns on the left side of the wheel. They are not the pipes of an organ, but, rather, are supposed to be a set of wooden stamps that could be raised by pegs set in the wheel's axle and which, when dropped, would hit the box below them to produce a loud thump.

From the arrangement of pegs on the axle, it appears that this device was intended to produce 8 loud sounds per wheel rotation. I suspect that this was a distraction that Bessler added during his demonstrations of the wheel. It's real purpose was not so much to demonstrate the power of a wheel, but, rather, to confuse a witness who might be trying to hear what sounds were issuing from inside the wheel's drum.


ken

[AgingYoung]

of course there is always the possibility i might have erred a tad . perhaps the little knob...

yep.

Gene

ps: I've hit your green button Doc. I don't generally make a point of it when I do that but I'm making an exception in your case. For some crazy reason I like you. It could be because I'm crazy or it might be because you are. I can't decide.

[docfeelsgood]

hello ken ; like i said my eyes arent what they used to be , must be a ink smudge . ahh well has no bearing on anything else anyhow . this old chunk of cast iron hasn't changed none . although i kinda think some wish it would . like on a big boat !!!! cant see that happening unless its on the titanic , lotta jealous people in this world . hey robert this is your thread ,your just settin there grinnin . i'm under attack from the axis !!! if you cant make it yourself send the luftwaffe . thanks ken .

[John Collins]

well john boy ; you must be really dissapointed that you didn't get an opportunity to make these startling revelations first !!!

No not disappointed - just puzzled.

John Collins

[docfeelsgood]

ok john boy ; ya done pulled me outa retirement again ! i realize now that i've forgotten to explain macho trickster . well seems for almost 300 years no one has been able to figure out those drawings . including yourself, big trick !! unless perhaps you've been holding back on the world . so it seems very appropriate that ole johann tricked ya'll into thinkin it was easy !!! besides it's a whole lot easier to spell . now go back up the thread a bit and you will see i failed sandbox plus was last in the class . i dont go around pretending to be a big scholar , makes it much easier to get around . surely for my lack of education you could cut me some slack on my spelling ????? while your focused on this thread perhaps you could tell the forum your version of the significance of the top with the eyeball . i havn't looked for it but have read inferences to it on the forum threads some where . ttfn

[docfeelsgood]

Gene ; thank you for the hit . did yours about 4 months ago . lets just make it easy on everyone and say i must be the one who's one french fry short of a happy meal . rofl . gittin kinda scary ,,,,, havin this ole piece of junk cast iron around , first thing ya know people'll start callin me MR. gawd ,,,,, whadda ugly thought !!!!! awwell call me anything they want except late for supper !! HEY ROBERT saddle up , first thing ya know i'll owe rental space here ! [ must be busy spinnin his top] . lol . thanks again Gene

[rks1878]

doc,

Interesting how after a long dormentcy, and few total posts, you come out and mention me three times.

I'll put some more graphs of my latest idea, here tomorrow.

I'll show them run all the way to the end of the spool this time...
acceleration
torque
etc.

I'm out and away for a bit lomger thru today.

robert