I am interested in information on the Clem engine beyond the Keelynet web site. There are pictures that tell a different story then in words. There is a mystery here and I would like more information. Jerry Decker of Keelynet is not able or willing to provide more then he publishes.
Let me know if you have more information.
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Jim
Thanks I have already looked at that information. It only shows there are more questions that only Keelynet or someone who has first hand information can provide.
Thanks I have already looked at that information. It only shows there are more questions that only Keelynet or someone who has first hand information can provide.
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Jerry probably has the best collection of info and correspondence on Clem and his machine. I doubt there is much, if anything, that he hasn't published on Keelynet.
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Why all the interest in the Clem engine? I went to Keelynet.com and it said that it was a modified engine that could run on cooking oil. If it ever came into widespread use, then it would still be adding carbon to our atmosphere and it might cause the price of cooking oils in supermarkets to rise.
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ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Ken
Read the article again. It used the Crisco oil as a hydraulic but not as fuel.
Thats is why I am interested. Anyone with information??
Read the article again. It used the Crisco oil as a hydraulic but not as fuel.
Thats is why I am interested. Anyone with information??
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AS I recall there was an article about the "Clem engine in a monthly magazine such as Popular Mechanix, Mechanics Illustrated. Popular Science. It may have been in the now defunct Science and Mechanics that published Howard Johnsons motor before going under.
My point being that if one were to research the historical indexes of these magazines, one may find it. Please do not ask me how to do this as I have no clue. Possibly a web search for the publishers.
Ralph
My point being that if one were to research the historical indexes of these magazines, one may find it. Please do not ask me how to do this as I have no clue. Possibly a web search for the publishers.
Ralph
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Well, I found a photo of Clem pouring bottle after bottle of Crisco vegetable oil into the engine of his car which IS powered by the oil somehow. The text with the photo said:
It sounds a little mysterious, but I get the impression that it is some sort of high efficiency, diesel engine despite all the talk about pumps, turbines, and the oil being moved back to the storage tank. Since vegetable oil molecules (di- and triglycerides of unsaturated, polyunsaturated, and saturated long chain fatty acids) contain a lot of carbon and hydrogen atoms, as do petroleum hydrocarbons, there's no reason why it can not be combusted in a diesel type engine to power an automobile. It sounds like he is using some sort of high pressure, fuel injector to make it all work.
ken
Seven Stage Pump
Outside the meager electrical portion of the system used to start the motor and run the lights and horn, the power plant consists of a seven stage pump and a "converter."
The pump, as he described it, is used to move the oil, under pressure, from a storage area to the converter from where the energy is converted into enough power to turn the motor, move the oil back to the storage area and power the pump, which in turn continues the cycle.
One hint as to the contents of the converter is "it acts like a turbine but isn't a turbine" in the normal sense of the word, Clem said.
He said his car has "some bugs in it," but said it has been driven as fast as 103 miles per hour. And when he gets the bugs worked out, he plans to take it on a test trip 600 miles to El Paso, Texas.
It sounds a little mysterious, but I get the impression that it is some sort of high efficiency, diesel engine despite all the talk about pumps, turbines, and the oil being moved back to the storage tank. Since vegetable oil molecules (di- and triglycerides of unsaturated, polyunsaturated, and saturated long chain fatty acids) contain a lot of carbon and hydrogen atoms, as do petroleum hydrocarbons, there's no reason why it can not be combusted in a diesel type engine to power an automobile. It sounds like he is using some sort of high pressure, fuel injector to make it all work.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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The link Jim_mich posted above was alive the other day but now seems to be dead,
I did a google search for Clem's engine and received 52,300 hits for Clem and or engine. I found this one of many to be of interest.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelk ... myclem.htm
Ken, the claim of Clems engine is the fact that it does not burn anything and there is zero emissions. The concept is based on internal pressure reduction with increased stream velocity. This is not new and is employed in all hydro_electric turbines designed since the 1920's. THis application is called a draft tube that is installed directly after the water passes the turbine.
To make a long story short, read the history and principles of the man who wrote the physics behind it all. his name is Bernoulli, 1700-1782 Author of Bernoulli's principle.
Clems engine is based on using this principle to spin a series of tubes in a spiral path where centrifugal force reduces the internal pressure which must by bernoulli's principle and Newton be made up by an increase in velocity and kinetic force.
In my mind. I see a never ending suction tube feeding a turbine that powers the rotor that creates the suction. It acts like a turbine but is not a turbine as it acts more like a glorified twirly lawn sprinkler.
You can find more with a google search. or grab an encyclopedia and look up Bernoulli's Principle.
Ralph
I did a google search for Clem's engine and received 52,300 hits for Clem and or engine. I found this one of many to be of interest.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelk ... myclem.htm
Ken, the claim of Clems engine is the fact that it does not burn anything and there is zero emissions. The concept is based on internal pressure reduction with increased stream velocity. This is not new and is employed in all hydro_electric turbines designed since the 1920's. THis application is called a draft tube that is installed directly after the water passes the turbine.
To make a long story short, read the history and principles of the man who wrote the physics behind it all. his name is Bernoulli, 1700-1782 Author of Bernoulli's principle.
Clems engine is based on using this principle to spin a series of tubes in a spiral path where centrifugal force reduces the internal pressure which must by bernoulli's principle and Newton be made up by an increase in velocity and kinetic force.
In my mind. I see a never ending suction tube feeding a turbine that powers the rotor that creates the suction. It acts like a turbine but is not a turbine as it acts more like a glorified twirly lawn sprinkler.
You can find more with a google search. or grab an encyclopedia and look up Bernoulli's Principle.
Ralph
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More proof that perpetual motion is man chasing perpetual motion.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/1809.html
The more I think about bernoulli's principle and having professional knowledge to its effect, make me wonder About some of Alden Park's claims. Can centrifugal force build enough kinetic force for self motivation?
To Ken,
Replace your present ball and tube pendulum with a centered venturi and fill it half full of cooking oil, as the oil flows back and forth the venturi will act similar to a draft tube increasing the oils stream velocity and build kinetic energy. :-) I am smiling but I am also serious, it is something to think about.
Ralph
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/1809.html
The more I think about bernoulli's principle and having professional knowledge to its effect, make me wonder About some of Alden Park's claims. Can centrifugal force build enough kinetic force for self motivation?
To Ken,
Replace your present ball and tube pendulum with a centered venturi and fill it half full of cooking oil, as the oil flows back and forth the venturi will act similar to a draft tube increasing the oils stream velocity and build kinetic energy. :-) I am smiling but I am also serious, it is something to think about.
Ralph
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Ralph...
Yes, I am quite familiar with Bernoulli's Principle and it sounds like you are saying that the Clem engine is some sort of hydrodynamic (or should I say "oleodynamic"!) PM machine!
Well, as the late Dr. Carl Sagan once said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".
Claims that his vehicle reached a speed of 103 mph are irrelevant. In fact, I would only believe it was a non-combustion PM engine if that fact was verified for me by some independent testing group like, for example, the National Bureau of Standards in Washington, D.C.
I've seen claims of miraculous engines in the past that sound very similar to this. Whenever it came time to put them to a reliable test of their performance, the inventor and the invention usually disappeared from the scene or, if the device was actually tested and failed, it was claimed that the tests were not good or that they were falsified as part of some grand conspiracy to suppress an invention that would have interfered with the profits of "Big Oil".
ken
Yes, I am quite familiar with Bernoulli's Principle and it sounds like you are saying that the Clem engine is some sort of hydrodynamic (or should I say "oleodynamic"!) PM machine!
Well, as the late Dr. Carl Sagan once said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".
Claims that his vehicle reached a speed of 103 mph are irrelevant. In fact, I would only believe it was a non-combustion PM engine if that fact was verified for me by some independent testing group like, for example, the National Bureau of Standards in Washington, D.C.
I've seen claims of miraculous engines in the past that sound very similar to this. Whenever it came time to put them to a reliable test of their performance, the inventor and the invention usually disappeared from the scene or, if the device was actually tested and failed, it was claimed that the tests were not good or that they were falsified as part of some grand conspiracy to suppress an invention that would have interfered with the profits of "Big Oil".
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Ken
Now you know why I am looking for information. According to Keelynet Clem was on the Letterman show(not exactly proof but interesting).
Also it was reported to be independently tested by Bendix. A claim that some how should be able to verify. Friends of Clem saw the car run. All of this makes it just as probable as BW. There is more information but Keelynet is not able or willing to release.
Now you know why I am looking for information. According to Keelynet Clem was on the Letterman show(not exactly proof but interesting).
Also it was reported to be independently tested by Bendix. A claim that some how should be able to verify. Friends of Clem saw the car run. All of this makes it just as probable as BW. There is more information but Keelynet is not able or willing to release.
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What "more information" is not being released by Jerry?
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I don't know what information is not being held but you would think that
after a few email inquires with some simple questions deserves a response.
For example the concept is based on a conical drag pump, but all pictures indicate a different shape including the pictures of the motor. Why? What?
How many different designs did Clem do?
Clem spent a lot of time building the red car, did he test the first engine on a test stand?
These are just a few that he may not know the answers to but he claims to have contact with the daughter. She might not know either but a simple response would be appreciated.
after a few email inquires with some simple questions deserves a response.
For example the concept is based on a conical drag pump, but all pictures indicate a different shape including the pictures of the motor. Why? What?
How many different designs did Clem do?
Clem spent a lot of time building the red car, did he test the first engine on a test stand?
These are just a few that he may not know the answers to but he claims to have contact with the daughter. She might not know either but a simple response would be appreciated.
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Dave,
I agree with your statement to Ken that it is as probable as Bessler's wheel. In fact probably mores so what little we do know is more than Bessler told us, or that we understand.
I remember the news media and magazines bringing it to public attention.
IMO, my mechanical experience with actual usage of the Bernoulli principle and being familiar with high pressure positive displacement pumps makes for a very suggestive probable that it did work and if so produced considerable horse power for its size.
Cooking oil was an inexpensive alternative for a non-foaming liquid. Any foam in the system and you would loose the centrifugal suction that powered it. You can not expand or compress a liquid by mechanical means. A negative force will pull gasses from any liquid that will foam or froth. These gasses can be compressed and expanded. Once again loosing the syphon cycle.
Clems Idea was allegedly born after noting that high pressure pumps had a tendency to continue running momentarily after being shut down. I can not find any reference to these high pressure pumps being of the positive displacement type but I bet they were. The reason being is another one of Newtons laws that say any object place in motion will tend to stay in motion. The act of slamming the gate on a high pressure high velocity liquid is called "Hammer" and can cause serious mechanical problems and machine failure. Ever hear your water pipes chatter or howl when you shut the water off abruptly? THat is called water hammer.
Another similar invention that relates to Clems is the Tesla Turbine that relys on the molecular bonding on a smooth disc. This is mentioned in some of the available information regarding Clem's claims.
Dave, if I can be of any assistance feel free to contact me. I believe this old invetion deserves the same recognition we give Bessler.
Ralph
I agree with your statement to Ken that it is as probable as Bessler's wheel. In fact probably mores so what little we do know is more than Bessler told us, or that we understand.
I remember the news media and magazines bringing it to public attention.
IMO, my mechanical experience with actual usage of the Bernoulli principle and being familiar with high pressure positive displacement pumps makes for a very suggestive probable that it did work and if so produced considerable horse power for its size.
Cooking oil was an inexpensive alternative for a non-foaming liquid. Any foam in the system and you would loose the centrifugal suction that powered it. You can not expand or compress a liquid by mechanical means. A negative force will pull gasses from any liquid that will foam or froth. These gasses can be compressed and expanded. Once again loosing the syphon cycle.
Clems Idea was allegedly born after noting that high pressure pumps had a tendency to continue running momentarily after being shut down. I can not find any reference to these high pressure pumps being of the positive displacement type but I bet they were. The reason being is another one of Newtons laws that say any object place in motion will tend to stay in motion. The act of slamming the gate on a high pressure high velocity liquid is called "Hammer" and can cause serious mechanical problems and machine failure. Ever hear your water pipes chatter or howl when you shut the water off abruptly? THat is called water hammer.
Another similar invention that relates to Clems is the Tesla Turbine that relys on the molecular bonding on a smooth disc. This is mentioned in some of the available information regarding Clem's claims.
Dave, if I can be of any assistance feel free to contact me. I believe this old invetion deserves the same recognition we give Bessler.
Ralph