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james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:27 pm

I really donot understand people, or should i say our leaders. A long time ago we had the Stanley Steamer. It wes fast and effecient. Before that Was the Franklin Electric. which was very effecient.Holland had wind mills to pump water,grind grain, turn machinery for manufacturing. we had wind mills to pump water and many ,many to generate electricity. Ralph could tell you of all the dams which drive turbines to generate power . TVA has many of the tbe tube type. why can't we harness Niagra Falls? these things already work, they just need to be used. jim kelly

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:34 pm

We have lift trucks, electric lift trucks, that run a continuos 8 hour shift before needing a recharge. we always put in a battery that was already charged and then charged the low one. you are talking about a 600pound machine with a pay load of 300 lbs. jim kelly

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:45 pm

It should be 3000 lb pay load.

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:46 pm

and a 6000lb machine

jim_mich · Post by **jim_mich** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:01 pm

james kelly wrote:why can't we harness Niagra Falls?

If Niagara Falls was harnessed any more there would be no water over the falls. As it is now the water flow is regulated. At night and during the winter the flow over the falls is decreased to a minimum volume. During tourist viewing times it flows at a higher volume, but never at its full volume anymore.

http://www.infoniagara.com/attractions/hydro.html
http://www.niagarafrontier.com/power.html

The Stanley Steamer was slow to start and hard to maintain. Electric cars have a limited range and then you must wait for the batteries to be recharged. People liked the internal combustion engine because of its advantages over steam or electric.

Wind is intermittent. Sometimes it blows too strong. It is not a reliable source of energy.

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:59 am

And water powerlike the old grist milland the wood working shop?

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:14 am

Oh; yes I just happened to remember. Every year small schools like MIT, ROSE-HULMAN,Purdue University, etc; have a race with their own design solar powered cars. The race is cross country.They have a solar powered air plane also.

rlortie · Post by **rlortie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:52 am

Another form or source of power is Tidal generation the is effective approx. 10 ours a day.

learn more at

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&o ... generation

Ralph

ovyyus · Post by **ovyyus** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:50 am

Why are you guys talking about power from Niagara Falls, or ocean waves, or solar powered cars, when James says he's already created several working PM gravity wheels over the past few decades?

Sorry, I must have missed something along the way. Help me out here Ralph, what have I missed?

ken_behrendt · Post by **ken_behrendt** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:37 am

Jim (Kelly)...

Bill makes a good point in his post. If you have created a working gravity wheel, then these other forms of energy would all be obsolete. Gravity is available 24/7 and remains constant in intensity (more or less) regardless of whether it is night or day, cloudy or bright...

ken

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:55 pm

nONE OF yoU SEEM to understand or deem to think about those things that are obsolete. All of those things were FREE power , that some one made a mint from. some of is still in use. Now, think; WHAT are they going to do with your gravity devive....hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

rlortie · Post by **rlortie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:00 pm

ovyyus,

Sorry, I must have missed something along the way. Help me out here Ralph, what have I missed?

Bill,

I do not believe that you have missed anything. I have great respect for Jim, his age and full life should speak for itself. I have learned to know and look up to this man like an older brother.

I do not wish to get involved with his conversations here on the board. I do not feel my involvement would be of any consequence. Jim can speak for himself. His claim to have built a multiple of working models is something that I can not varify one way or the other. Although my version did not work, that still does not, to my thinking justify that Jim's early versions did or did not work.

I am not at liberty to discuss the concept or operation of his claimed working wheel. Therefore I fine it best not involve myself with his input here on the board.

The forum does not seem to realize that they are debating with a man of 75 years with severe health problems and a fleeting memory, who at his prime was a man of great respect, admiration and lots of limelight.

I thought he put it very well when he stated "What goes around comes around"

Ralph

Ed · Post by Ed » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:56 pm

Ralph wrote:Therefore I fine it best not involve myself with his input here on the board.

Too late Ralph. You are involving yourself. You are defending his character. I can have general respect for a man almost 40 years my senior, but when said man makes a claim as unique as he has and can't back it up with anything then my respect-o-meter starts to fall.

I agree with his original comment but, instead if steam, electric, water or wind, we should probably use something like bio-diesel until something better comes along. Instead of our government using our money to pay farmers to grow nothing, we should build stadium-sized hydroponics/airponics factories that could be used to better feed us and also feed our machines.

But I digress because Jim has built such a thing! So what? His memory failed him on that fact? Come on! He has built several. So now here is a man who, instead of building a bicycle as an implementation of a gravity engine, uses his supposed invention to power a supercharger for a massive engine that wastes conventional fuel for recreation? An invention that gives him an edge that keeps him in the 'conventional' limelight as long as he wins races? Is that the character of the man in question?

Yes Ralph....."What goes around comes around".

-Ed

rlortie · Post by **rlortie** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:18 pm

Ed,

I appreciate what you are saying, My only involvement was to reply to ovyyus who posted a direct public question directed to me. I would have preferred to have received it by private post.

Like any friend would or should, I will support him by personal mail.

What he says and does here is of his own choosing and he already knows that I do not wish to get involved.

This is my last post on this thread regarding the matter at hand. If you wish to take this off-line please write me at rlortie@my180.net. You may find me a little more recieving.

Ralph

james kelly · Post by **james kelly** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:12 pm

wHY wOULD YOU Want to invovle Ralph? Ralph attempts to help everyone. He is not in the best of health either. I will try to be a little more direct than I have been. When I am tired or angry , my typing suffers. I am still building one , in the original concept. I was using an old broom stick to prevent it from turning as I installed spokes and weights. It snapped the broom stick, so I have to install the brake unit before going on. It does not seem to make a difference what I tell most of you. Most people only believe what they understand, and that is a shame; because sometimes that is damn little. GO to axle tree .com---- there is a working unit,with complete instructions on building it. build it It works. Then you guys can degrade one another. JIM KELLY

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