What are the X's at the end of Bessler's 600 sentences.

[pstroud]

Well, I'm in Wisconsin for a couple of day and guess what I'm reading while I sip on my beer?

I've been reviewing some of Bessler's writings recently and noticed the "X" at the end of some of Bessler's sentences or phrases. This unexpected "X" in the orignal text came as a surprise because it was not translated to the english version so I had no visibility of it.

As John Collins stated in his book, this does not occur in Bessler's earlier writings so it must be a clue to the secret code.

Based on the sentences above Bessler's riddle and the sentences above his Declaration of Faith, I'm wandering if the biblical reference numbers are the code to deciphering the riddle. The biblical referneces do not contain enough "key words" to describe the description of the wheel by themselves. The riddle has enough words to be the answer but not directly as it stands.

Could the biblical reference numbers be a decoding for the riddle itself. The riddle has enough "key words" to describe the wheel perfectly if rearranged. I'm researching this a little but for an english speaking guy, this is an uphill battle based on the original text.....

Does anyone have any insight into the "x" at the end of some phrases in Bessler's little book?

Preston.

[Jonathan]

Stewart says they mean "etc.", which was long suspected, and which I consider now confirmed.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 756&#21756

[John Collins]

Thank you Jonathan - I was looking for that same thread by Stewart. I too agree that the x's mean etc - nevertheless, it's strange that there are so many of them; and there are the non-fraktur etc's in there too. Bessler uses hardly any in his other publications.

I'm still open-minded about the possiblity that they have an additional purpose connected with some kind of encoding. An 'etc' device would be a more innocent way of encoding something than the presence of so many x's.

John Collins

[ken_behrendt]

Perhaps the second or third or fourth word in each line with an "etc." after it must be extracted and, when all the words are put together, one will have a precise written description of the secret mechanism!

Just an idea...


ken

[rlortie]

I am attempting to communicate with a native German in his own language by using a web translator. He shall remain confidential of course.

Here is a copy and paste of the last sentence of one paragraph that I translated.

Als Anlage füge ich ein Foto bei, damit Sie davon eine erste Vorstellung haben.- xxx.< My translation: As an arrangement I add a photo, with it you of it the first image haben.-xxx.>

As you can see he has placed 3 "x" before the period. I could not find a translation for "haben.-"

I will attempt to get his meaning of the x as I do not believe it is etc. in this sentence structure.

He does state that it is hard to communicate about Bessler in this fashion as the meaning and or definition of German language has changed considerably since Bessler's time. There are words that no longer exist in modern translations.

I agree as can be seen in the above translated sentence structure.

Ralph

[SeaWasp]

Ralph... Haben literally means "To Have"
Vorstellung means either, association, conceivablity, vision, perception, imagination..

You can find a great little downloadable German to English dictionary from my helpful websites topic. It's a great little tool for translating!

[fAtnhapy]

At the risk of saying something really stupid has anyone plotted out the "X's" location from page to page. That is to say if all the pages were transparent except for the "x's" and they were stacked on top of each other could there be a pattern or dare I say a drawing?
Ok I'll shut up! LOL
fAt

[michael_vanston]

fAt

The topic of aligning the x's to highlight certain words or letters in AP was discussed here

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... =4460#4460

If you read the answer John gave you would see that it is unlikely a design would be hidden in the x's within the text and then revealed by layering all the the x's together.

Michael

[fAtnhapy]

Thanks, on the upside if I was stupid for asking at least I had company! :0)
fAt

[rlortie]

Having communication recently established with a Native German who speaks no English, I find that the use of X or XXX is still used in modern German writing. the last post I received just yesterday has three of them.

He seems to be well educated in Besslers works and lives 50 km from the sight of the original (Kassel) Hess castle. with access to the public librarys.

I do of course plan on discussing this with him. Hopefully we will get a response that will settle this issue.

Ralph

[M]

Normally, X or XXX is not used in modern german writings,
except for:

- latin numbers 10, 30. etc.

- anonymous signature

- simply a blank to avoid to mention the name of a person
( Mr.X told me that...)

Does anybody know where I can find the original texts on the net ?

[ken_behrendt]

M...

As far as I know, the original German text for the Bessler writings are only available in John Collins' excellent reproductions of the Bessler writings. However, if you Search through past threads on this Discussion Board, you will find bits and pieces of the original German text from the Bessler literature.


ken

[rlortie]

Gentleman,

After setting up an appointment last week, today was spent with an elderly native German.

He read and interpreted many things for me. We discussed Bessler, his writings, and I showed him photographs as we did a time line together. He was capable of reading the text in the photos I posted from Denis. In all we spent over five hours including lunch together. Needless to say we now have another Bessler fan and I have more knowledge.

One of many questions I had preprared and placed in my memo pad was,"what do all the X's represent. He smiled and looked at me and begin to mimic the old cartoon character "Porky Pig" with his famous "thats All folks" He then explained that the X's in Besslers writing (old German) did not represent any code or puzzle. You will find them at the end of a sentence usually located at the end of a paragraph. His explanation is simple, it means the end of this subject or topic. Meaning the next line or paragraph is relating to a different topic. A period ends a sentence, A paragraph ends part of a topic. an X ends the subject matter.

So there you are, an answer to the mysterious X's. To this I give credit to: Harry Urbansky from Frankfurt am Main in west central Germany, Located in Hesse.

It is very unfortunate for me not to have found him sooner, he is leaving for home at the end of next week. I met with him this morning after a 25 mile drive where I met him at a senior center.

Ralph

[John Collins]

Interesting information Ralph. I shall have to add that one to my list of reasons for the Xs. I have also been told it stands for emphasis; and Stewart did an excellent analysis and came up with etc, which I think was convincing. If it does stand for 'end of this topic', is it reasonable for it to occur at the end of five consecutive lines in several instances? Maybe. Stewart's idea of etc is more convincing to me, and it isn't an X in fact, as Stewart pointed out, but e.c. (et cetera). The emphasis argument doesn't stand up as there are a number NBs too.

Against these explanations for the Xs is the fact that there are hardly any in Das Tri or Grundlicher Bericht. Maybe the 'code' explanation will prove correct?

John Collins