Vandusen Bessler wheel replication

[hartiberlin]

I have signed NDA with Mr.Vandusen and I have seen his
videos and also the selfstarting of his 6 foot wheel
and it is really amazing !
I think he has really replicated the Bessler wheel and this
is really running from gravity alone ! Amazing !
Check out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topi ... l#msg10095

Regards, Stefan.

[KAS]

OK! Where's the photo link?

[hartiberlin]

You can see the photos when you are logged into
my forum at www.overunity.com
and then click the above URL.
Regards.Stefan.

[ovyyus]

Stefan, you must be easily impressed these days. I've seen his videos and photos and I've spoken at leangth with the blood sucker over the phone... it's all a bunch of lies designed to separate you from your money - nothing more.

How much is he asking for this time? I suggest you check out our fraud forum.

[racer270]

I have signed NDA with Mr.Vandusen and I have seen his
videos and also the selfstarting of his 6 foot wheel
and it is really amazing !
I think he has really replicated the Bessler wheel and this
is really running from gravity alone ! Amazing !
Check out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topi ... l#msg10095

Regards, Stefan.

we have had mr. vandusen, listed as a FRAUD...!
for quite some time...!
dont give him any money....!

we have seen his work, he has been BANED, form this site.....!

i have seen his crap, he asked me how to fake a video, more then a year ago....!
he playes a video on a tv backwords, and filmes it. so it looks like the wheel is picking up speed, the 60 cycle flicker gives the fool away....!

PS. i just saw vandusen's picture again, darrel, dident you get kicked out of your sisters house about 1 and 1/2 years ago....?

you should at least take some new pictures, to start a new con,.....!!!

LOL

[hartiberlin]

Hi Racer,
I don´t know, what you have seen, but on the video I have seen from
the 6th of January 2003 he is standing at the wheel and selfstarts it
and the wheel accelerates and gets faster !
If he would have played it backwards, he also would have
moved backwards himself and that is NOT the case..
Also the function principle is pretty clear to me and I always
thought, that this is the principle Bessler must have used.

I have seen quite a bit of evidence now from all the videos
Mr. Vandusen did send me and I don´t hide behind
an anonymous email address.
Sorry, that I can not post the videos, but I have signed an NDA.

Regards. Stefan Hartmann.

[racer270]

quote:

Sorry, that I can not post the videos, but I have signed an NDA.
_________________________________________________________

ya i know , he pulled the same crap here.......i went to your site, the picture he posted was taken at his sisters house, witch he got kicked out of for being nothing but a boat ancker, over a year ago, we had a member fly out to see his wheel, the guy got stuck for some money, trust me he is a fraud....

i havent seen his "latest video" , maby his scam has gotted better...?

ps. the NDA is not worth the paper it is on....!, several members were talked into it right here , but i know of only a few that he "scamed for money"...!

[ovyyus]

i havent seen his "latest video" , maby his scam has gotted better...?

It's the same video I've seen...

the video I have seen from
the 6th of January 2003 he is standing at the wheel and selfstarts it

... and therefore it is the same scam.

[hartiberlin]

Racer, who are you ?
Please post the name of the person, who has lost 10.000 US$ ?
Please don´t hide behind your anonymous email address

Please let us know more.

Racer, have you been there and seen the machine ?
Or who else ?

[hartiberlin]

i havent seen his "latest video" , maby his scam has gotted better...?

It's the same video I've seen...

the video I have seen from
the 6th of January 2003 he is standing at the wheel and selfstarts it

... and therefore it is the same scam.

What was the filename of the video you have seen ?
I want to check, if you really have seen the same stuff.

[Sevich]

hartiberlin...

please post the name of the person, who has lost $10,000

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... high=#7771

[ovyyus]

What was the filename of the video you have seen ?
I want to check, if you really have seen the same stuff.

Mov file size 12,525 KB, file name 000_0235
Mov file size 1,978 KB, file name 000_0059
Mov file size 796 KB, file name 000_0062_0001

[racer270]

post delited....i am cooled off now..:)

[jim_mich]

Racer, cool it! Stefan has been around a long time and has his own overunity web site. Stefan is more an electronics person so he only comes over here to the Bessler forum when he gets mechanical gravity wheels.

The facts concerning Darrell's 6 foot wheel is he claims that his 6 foot wheel would start and continue turning and he let it run up to maybe 20 turns at the most and he always started it at a certain rotational position. He cannibalized his 6 foot wheel to make his 8 foot wheel and has never gotten the 8 foot wheel to work. He in now sponging off an auto mechanic and has build yet another wheel in the mechanic's garage. It seems he can't get it to work yet he is asking for money for a generator.

I've made wm2d tests of his design and they fail to work.

I too have sign a NDA with Darrell Vandusen. I have a number of his videos and numerous pictures. Darrell still phones and emails me from time to time. At one time he asked to come (from Canada) and stay with me while we developed his bigger wheel. I turned him down and shortly thereafter he received money from Pete from England and also another member from this forum. Later when Darrell phoned me I asked if anyone had given him money to help him with his wheel. He flatly denied it. So I know for a fact that Darrell is a liar.

Darrell has been working on gravity wheels for many years. I've seen pictures of an old wooden wheel he built many years ago. His 6 foot wheel (StefanÂ’s video) had weights that were cut to length with a cutting torch so they aren't equal weight. He would position his wheel so these heavier weights made the wheel out of balance so it would self start. Being that the wheel was very heavy and rather flimsy it would continue to coast with the weights being moved in and out in the process. The Stefan's video was taken by pointing a digital camera at the TV screen of a video tape, which is why it is so poor quality.

After Pete gave Darrell money Darrell cut the spokes and made them longer (StefanÂ’s B&W picture) thinking it would make the wheel more powerful. Darrell did not understand that it is the distance which a weight moves in and out that determines its power, not the diameter. Darrell is a tinkerer and does not understand physics. DarrellÂ’s bigger wheel that he made by cannibalizing the smaller wheel did not work. This is when Darrell and Pete had a falling out and Darrell became known as a fraud here on the forum.

When talking with Darrell he comes across as really believing his 6 foot wheel worked and that his bigger wheel should work. He is either very deluded, a very good liar, or possibly his 6 foot wheel actually worked (which I doubt). During our numerous phone talks I politely pumped Darrell for factual information which he always seemed reluctant to give. He would go on and on about many things about his wheel but mostly they were empty words with little and sometimes twisted fact. Like at first he told me he thought his wheel turned about a 100 RPM which I knew would tear itself apart. Later he said he was just guessing. At one point he admitted to me that the longest that his 6 foot wheel ever turned was maybe 20 revolutions. He said he would stop it because the wheel was poorly built and one time the arm wobbled, caught and bent the steel spoke. Thereafter he would let it self start, run a few revolutions, and then stop it. In his later videos of the larger 8 foot wheel it always seems to be slowing down.

My analysis of his design says it won't work. My analysis assumed rigid spokes. Darrell's spokes flexed because they were so long and thin. Also the two bolts mounting the spokes to the hub could easily have shifted very slightly each revolution. A wheel that self starts due to being out of balance should not turn more than about a turn or two considering all the friction and assuming the weights move back to their start locations each revolution. This puzzles me and is the basis of Darrell's fanatical belief that his wheel worked. I've wondered, did his 6 foot wheel actually work due to the spring like flexing of the spokes?

He says his 6 foot wheel self started and continued to turn until he stopped it after maybe 10 or 20 revolutions. If you pump Darrell and listen very carefully to the words he says, he will say his larger wheels need just a little more time and money to work. He will admit that only the 6 foot wheel has ever actually worked. And for only a few turns. And it was cut up to make the larger wheel. He will tell half truths and sometimes out right lies, but when he talks specifics about his wheel he usually is factual. When he squirms and evades a straight question then he is likely to lie. When he answers quickly with specific facts then he is usually truthful.

Darrell is a liar and it put him in the fraud section of this forum. But late at night as I lay awake thinking I sometime wonder if maybe his 6 foot wheel did actually work due to the spring like flexing of the arms? Is he scamming people or did he actually witness his 6 foot wheel perpetually turning? Darrell seems to be convinced that his wheel idea works as he sucks money from others to support his dreams.

I apologize for this posting being so long.

[ken_behrendt]

Jim...

That was a nice, in-dept profile you gave on Vandusen...I did not think it was too long at all.

I think he really may have achieved some sort of self-sustained motion with his 6 ft wheel. It never should have been cannabilized for parts!

Maybe, as you suggested, the springiness of its spokes somehow allowed it to maintain the CG of its weights on the wheel's descending side at all times. In the past, I have had WM2D models that, because of random vibrations in their weights' restoration springs, did manage to maintain the average location of the CG of their weights on the wheel's descending side for several rotations. Unfortunately, the effect was never stable and would always disappear if I altered any of the spring parameters or initial starting positions of the weights.

I have not seen any of the videos of Vandusen's wheels, however. I wish that I could just find a single clear schematic of the 6 foot wheel to study and perhaps try modeling...


ken