A complete digital version of Das Triumphans is now available from the Göttingen University Library:
http://dz-srv1.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ca ... 94885.html
Also, Bessler's 1718 flyer is available here:
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Neue_Nach ... ui_mobilis
This page with the full text also contains a link to the scan at the Dresden library.
Enjoy!
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Congratulations Scott, I've been looking for a digital version of the latter document for ages wthout success. I'll get Mike to translate it and post it up here. I'm impressed that Göttingen University Library has seen fit to post a version Das Triumphans on the web - I wonder what prompted them to do it, or may be they intend putting all their books on line .
Interesting that Bessler's portraits are not present in their version, maybe my copy is the only one with them included.
Don't forget if you need a copy which includes the English translation you can get it from my web site - www.free-energy.co.uk
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Interesting that Bessler's portraits are not present in their version, maybe my copy is the only one with them included.
Don't forget if you need a copy which includes the English translation you can get it from my web site - www.free-energy.co.uk
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I just tried using the Babelfish online translator to give a quick and sloppy translation of a page of the German text in English. It gave up probably due to the fact that the pages are .gif image files and not text files. However, if one went to the trouble of transcribing each page of Old German of DT, then Babelfish might work, somewhat, on it.
However, I would recommend that Bessler students use John's versions and save themselves a LOT of work.
ken
However, I would recommend that Bessler students use John's versions and save themselves a LOT of work.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Thankyou Scott and thankyou John . Mikes translation would be greatly appreciated by all . I don't expect that JB would give much away in that flyer but we of the "Besslarian Faith" would find it most interesting.Congratulations Scott, I've been looking for a digital version of the latter document for ages wthout success. I'll get Mike to translate it and post it up here.
Graham
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Scott, hello!
Thanks for this share.
When I get some time I'll try the original latin text, a bit easier than old german talk and characters.
Regs. M.
Thanks for this share.
When I get some time I'll try the original latin text, a bit easier than old german talk and characters.
Regs. M.
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Hi All
Those documents have been available online for months! That's the trouble with not visiting here very often these days, I lose touch with what's going on in the community, sorry about that! There's another Bessler related document on that site also; I'll look for the link and post here later.
I've translated "Neue Nachricht" and I'll make the translation available on my website, which I'm hoping to launch soon but I'm moving house so there may be further delays.
The document is a short pamphlet announcing the successful test-run of Bessler's Weissenstein wheel and also challenges anyone still doubting the validity of the wheel to a bet of 10000 Reichsthalers (~£2300 which when calculated in £s today using the retail price index is ~£300000).
The title page says:
New information of the curious and successful test-run of the newly constructed Orffyrean perpetual motion machine, in castle Weissenstein at Kassel, which lasted 8 whole weeks since the 12th of November last year (1717) to the present year (1718), and which took place in one of His Serene Royal Highness the Landgrave of Hessen-Kassel's rooms which he, as a world famous extremely wise patron of the mechanic Mr. Orffyre, granted for this purpose, and also, as soon as the perpetual motion machine started to run, closed and sealed it, and thereafter guards were stationed outside; excellently made with great pleasure of the Landgrave Serene Royal Highness and all art/craft-lovers, so that now those who, from doubts of the validity of the perpetual motion machine at various times rather scornfully offered a wager of 1000 Reichsthalers, will be offered a wager of 10000 Reichsthalers against 10000 Reichsthalers.
Leipzig, in the thoroughfare of the town hall, in the Contoir-calendar shop, year 1718.
The last line is informing of where to obtain a copy of the pamphlet, and later on it also mentions that a description and copperplate engraving of the Merseburg wheel are available there also. 'Contoir' is french for 'cabinet' or 'counter', and I found the following description of a 'Contoir-Calender':
"These are single sheets of whole and half pieces of paper, which can be hung conveniently on the wall or on a door. The months stand in 12 columns beside each other, and under them are the eclipses and phases of the moon."
The next section of the pamphlet is just general babble about the previous wheels at Gera, Draschwitz and Merseburg and talks of Bessler's slanderous enemies and questions what they will say now that his new wheel has been successfully tested under the supervision of Karl etc.
The next section is more general talk and goes on to tell of how Bessler perfected his Weissenstein wheel in August 1717 and that many high ranking people came to see it; it tells of how Karl supervised the test-run which began on 12th November 1717 and lasted 8 weeks, twice as long as was originally requested. It goes on to give some information about the wheel which it says is pretty much the same as the Merseburg wheel, but lists some differences etc:
Concerning the composition of the machine along with its action, it is currently the same externally, and arranged almost the same throughout as the perpetual motion machine displayed at Merseburg, because it has to be put in a room, so a diameter greater than 12 feet is not permitted; only this is to mention in the current machine, that it
1 – is half a foot thicker than the Merseburg wheel, and one and a half feet more in profile.
2 – the axle is 6 foot long and 8 inches in section.
3 – the large heavy stampers, made of solid oak, stand against the wall and are lifted with lifting-battens.
4 – on each side a pendulum is again present, which give the work an even yet somewhat slower motion, but can, as was often seen, be taken down and away.
5 – so also again, as in Merseburg, a heavier box full of stones outside of the castle will, through a pull, be wound very high up and pulled in to the window by the machine.
6 – all doubts of external pulls are now obviously thereby removed, and so forth
Number 6 I think is referring to the fact that the bearings were open for inspection and it could be clearly seen that there were no cords pulling the wheel from another room as was alleged by Bessler's enemies.
It then goes on to talk about how bets of 1000 Reichsthalers on the authenticity of Bessler's wheel had been scornfully offered in the past and that now the bet would be accepted but the stakes raised to 10000 Reichsthalers against 10000 Reichsthalers. It then outlines what constitutes a perpetual motion machine for the purposes of the bet (the usual description as seen in other Bessler documents), and says Bessler's wheel meets all of them. It makes one caveat and that is that the speed of the wheel varies depending on the construction and lists revolutions of 10, 20, 30, 60 & 100 times a minute. It ends by saying if anyone wants further information then write to Bessler at Weissenstein castle or contact post-master Renner in Kassel.
The postscript sarcastically asks where and when Wagner's promised spit-jack perpetual motion machine will be available.
That's the gist of the document anyway. Now what I wanted to talk about was the pendulums but, seeing how this post has ended up being bigger than I expected, I'll do so in my next post.
All the best
Stewart
Those documents have been available online for months! That's the trouble with not visiting here very often these days, I lose touch with what's going on in the community, sorry about that! There's another Bessler related document on that site also; I'll look for the link and post here later.
I've translated "Neue Nachricht" and I'll make the translation available on my website, which I'm hoping to launch soon but I'm moving house so there may be further delays.
The document is a short pamphlet announcing the successful test-run of Bessler's Weissenstein wheel and also challenges anyone still doubting the validity of the wheel to a bet of 10000 Reichsthalers (~£2300 which when calculated in £s today using the retail price index is ~£300000).
The title page says:
New information of the curious and successful test-run of the newly constructed Orffyrean perpetual motion machine, in castle Weissenstein at Kassel, which lasted 8 whole weeks since the 12th of November last year (1717) to the present year (1718), and which took place in one of His Serene Royal Highness the Landgrave of Hessen-Kassel's rooms which he, as a world famous extremely wise patron of the mechanic Mr. Orffyre, granted for this purpose, and also, as soon as the perpetual motion machine started to run, closed and sealed it, and thereafter guards were stationed outside; excellently made with great pleasure of the Landgrave Serene Royal Highness and all art/craft-lovers, so that now those who, from doubts of the validity of the perpetual motion machine at various times rather scornfully offered a wager of 1000 Reichsthalers, will be offered a wager of 10000 Reichsthalers against 10000 Reichsthalers.
Leipzig, in the thoroughfare of the town hall, in the Contoir-calendar shop, year 1718.
The last line is informing of where to obtain a copy of the pamphlet, and later on it also mentions that a description and copperplate engraving of the Merseburg wheel are available there also. 'Contoir' is french for 'cabinet' or 'counter', and I found the following description of a 'Contoir-Calender':
"These are single sheets of whole and half pieces of paper, which can be hung conveniently on the wall or on a door. The months stand in 12 columns beside each other, and under them are the eclipses and phases of the moon."
The next section of the pamphlet is just general babble about the previous wheels at Gera, Draschwitz and Merseburg and talks of Bessler's slanderous enemies and questions what they will say now that his new wheel has been successfully tested under the supervision of Karl etc.
The next section is more general talk and goes on to tell of how Bessler perfected his Weissenstein wheel in August 1717 and that many high ranking people came to see it; it tells of how Karl supervised the test-run which began on 12th November 1717 and lasted 8 weeks, twice as long as was originally requested. It goes on to give some information about the wheel which it says is pretty much the same as the Merseburg wheel, but lists some differences etc:
Concerning the composition of the machine along with its action, it is currently the same externally, and arranged almost the same throughout as the perpetual motion machine displayed at Merseburg, because it has to be put in a room, so a diameter greater than 12 feet is not permitted; only this is to mention in the current machine, that it
1 – is half a foot thicker than the Merseburg wheel, and one and a half feet more in profile.
2 – the axle is 6 foot long and 8 inches in section.
3 – the large heavy stampers, made of solid oak, stand against the wall and are lifted with lifting-battens.
4 – on each side a pendulum is again present, which give the work an even yet somewhat slower motion, but can, as was often seen, be taken down and away.
5 – so also again, as in Merseburg, a heavier box full of stones outside of the castle will, through a pull, be wound very high up and pulled in to the window by the machine.
6 – all doubts of external pulls are now obviously thereby removed, and so forth
Number 6 I think is referring to the fact that the bearings were open for inspection and it could be clearly seen that there were no cords pulling the wheel from another room as was alleged by Bessler's enemies.
It then goes on to talk about how bets of 1000 Reichsthalers on the authenticity of Bessler's wheel had been scornfully offered in the past and that now the bet would be accepted but the stakes raised to 10000 Reichsthalers against 10000 Reichsthalers. It then outlines what constitutes a perpetual motion machine for the purposes of the bet (the usual description as seen in other Bessler documents), and says Bessler's wheel meets all of them. It makes one caveat and that is that the speed of the wheel varies depending on the construction and lists revolutions of 10, 20, 30, 60 & 100 times a minute. It ends by saying if anyone wants further information then write to Bessler at Weissenstein castle or contact post-master Renner in Kassel.
The postscript sarcastically asks where and when Wagner's promised spit-jack perpetual motion machine will be available.
That's the gist of the document anyway. Now what I wanted to talk about was the pendulums but, seeing how this post has ended up being bigger than I expected, I'll do so in my next post.
All the best
Stewart
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In "Neue Nachricht" (NN) it says:
4 – on each side a pendulum is again present, which give the work an even yet somewhat slower motion, but can, as was often seen, be taken down and away.
I think this is the clearest description of the pendulums and their use, even though they are described quite well in GB. Here it says they cause an even motion and slow the wheel. It also makes it clear that they could and were removed as witnessed by visitors, and so were not part of the prime mover but definitely existed. Perhaps the pendulums were only attached when there was no other load (stampers,water-screw,winch) to slow it down and conserve the wear of its parts. As far as I'm aware there is no mention of pendulums on any of the uni-directional wheels; could it be that the bi-directional (Merseburg & Kassel) wheels' mechanisms caused an uneven rotation and adding the pendulums alleviated this? or are they just for speed regulation? I just wondered what everyone else thought now in light of this information.
Stewart
4 – on each side a pendulum is again present, which give the work an even yet somewhat slower motion, but can, as was often seen, be taken down and away.
I think this is the clearest description of the pendulums and their use, even though they are described quite well in GB. Here it says they cause an even motion and slow the wheel. It also makes it clear that they could and were removed as witnessed by visitors, and so were not part of the prime mover but definitely existed. Perhaps the pendulums were only attached when there was no other load (stampers,water-screw,winch) to slow it down and conserve the wear of its parts. As far as I'm aware there is no mention of pendulums on any of the uni-directional wheels; could it be that the bi-directional (Merseburg & Kassel) wheels' mechanisms caused an uneven rotation and adding the pendulums alleviated this? or are they just for speed regulation? I just wondered what everyone else thought now in light of this information.
Stewart
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Great info Stewart. Perhaps those pendulums were just a speed governor afterall? I wonder if he might have used them during the long duration test in order to reduce speed and wear, thereby decreasing the chance of it breaking down prematurely?
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Stewart,
Everyone says that no eyewitness report of such things existed. My thread went dead, and for some reason that I cannot recall is now locked!
Substantiating their existence either internally or external has a lot of influence on a number of possible designs.
Ralph
I cannot wait for the follow up on this statement. Having opened my first thread on this forum regarding pendulums over a year and 9 months ago, this is the first thing I have seen that says pendulums were present.4 – on each side a pendulum is again present, which give the work an even yet somewhat slower motion, but can, as was often seen, be taken down and away.
Everyone says that no eyewitness report of such things existed. My thread went dead, and for some reason that I cannot recall is now locked!
Substantiating their existence either internally or external has a lot of influence on a number of possible designs.
Ralph
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I've seen four original copies of DT including yours, and yours is the only one of those with any portraits in at all! However I know that there are two copies of DT in the Kassel library which I haven't seen yet, and in the catalogue it mentions that they each have a different portrait! So, are there any Bessler fans in Germany reading this who can pop into the library and investigate for us? I for one would love to know what the deal is!John Collins wrote:Interesting that Bessler's portraits are not present in their version, maybe my copy is the only one with them included.
I had a nice surprise when I looked at a copy of DT in the British Library, no portraits unfortunately, but Bessler had signed the inside cover for a friend! I had it photocopied so I can post a scan if anyone is interested.
Stewart
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Bill, are you giving some sort of vitruvian clue with your sideways avatar? lol
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Ed, just spinning wheels ;)
It occurred to me that the pendulums might not make such a good speed governor - just like a flywheel doesn't make a good speed governor. So, it seems the dual direction design exhibited a pulsing action at low speed while under a load?
It occurred to me that the pendulums might not make such a good speed governor - just like a flywheel doesn't make a good speed governor. So, it seems the dual direction design exhibited a pulsing action at low speed while under a load?
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Stewart wrote:
Ralph is right though. This "Neue Nachricht" pamphlet seems to offer additional evidence for the existence and use of the pendula. I assume, of course, that this pamphlet was authored by Bessler himself although Stewart's description of it makes it sound like it might have been written by someone else.
ken
I think that the suggestion that the counter swinging pendula functioned as a sort of "load" to keep the terminal velocity of the wheel suppressed when it was running without an actual load makes the most sense. If so, then the Kassel wheel must have been capable of achieving a rotation rate greater than 26 rpm's when running unloaded. Perhaps such a high rate of motion could have damaged its internal mechanisms due to excessive CF or, at higher rotation rates than 26 rpm's, it became very difficult to again stop the wheel by hand braking its rim....could it be that the bi-directional (Merseburg & Kassel) wheels' mechanisms caused an uneven rotation and adding the pendulums alleviated this? or are they just for speed regulation? I just wondered what everyone else thought now in light of this information.
Ralph is right though. This "Neue Nachricht" pamphlet seems to offer additional evidence for the existence and use of the pendula. I assume, of course, that this pamphlet was authored by Bessler himself although Stewart's description of it makes it sound like it might have been written by someone else.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Just a quick Idea that came to my mind:
You say that the pendulum was probably necessary to
build a counterforce when the wheel was not under load.
Wouldn't it be possible, too, that it could not run at all,
when it did not perform work ?
You say that the pendulum was probably necessary to
build a counterforce when the wheel was not under load.
Wouldn't it be possible, too, that it could not run at all,
when it did not perform work ?
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The pendulum together with the wheel could also be
a "2 device oscillation system".
When for instance 2 LC oscillators are brought together
which have about the same resonance frequency,
energy is going from one LC tank to the other and
back again.
This can help to keep the oscillation going,
when one oscillator slows down.
Have a look at the oscillation in the swiming pool:
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolit ... tic001.htm
When one vortex oscillation has died, it is indeed helped
to recreate again via the other vortex..
So I guess the pendulum could have indeed a
supporting function of the "oscillation"(turning) of the wheel.
regards, Stefan.
a "2 device oscillation system".
When for instance 2 LC oscillators are brought together
which have about the same resonance frequency,
energy is going from one LC tank to the other and
back again.
This can help to keep the oscillation going,
when one oscillator slows down.
Have a look at the oscillation in the swiming pool:
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolit ... tic001.htm
When one vortex oscillation has died, it is indeed helped
to recreate again via the other vortex..
So I guess the pendulum could have indeed a
supporting function of the "oscillation"(turning) of the wheel.
regards, Stefan.