Qvo Vadis?!

[iacob alex]

Hi!
You know this figurative dilemma...but this time,in a metaphorical translation,regarding the gravity,that exibits "as" a "gusty" potential "wind",the choice is about a potential eruptive phenomenon,let's say a bottle of Champagne.
If you intend to taste the sparkling flavour,you must find a way to release it.
You know,this is the cork,stopper,cap,close up,seal problem.
In an Atwood Machine,to measure "g",we must set free a two unequal masses,two equal arms system ,for a time.
The "blind" pivot,fulcrum is concerned with the product/momentum ,only.
The same question is in relation with a gravity machine,this time a two equal masses,two unequal arms system.The same lever concept...in two outlines.l A dilemma is a situation requiring a choice between equally indefensible(for this time...without a real proof) alternative.So,what stops the gravity to sparkle,glitter,glow,flash,bubble,dance in our draw up plans?Simplicity in a design is the short way to imagine it.
All the Bests! / Alex

[Dave]

Yes I agree

[Gregory]

I want to tell a tale about simplicity.

The concept of simplicity is very relative.

Let's mention supposedly the most simple table game of the world, the Go game, or Vei-chi the older version of it. You know, you have a very simple table with lines & squares similar to a chess table, and instead the chess figures in the chess, in Go you have small ellipsoid stones. Black stones for one player and white stones for the other. Now, that's all.

You have a table with straight lines, and alike stones (except color) each quantity for the players. The simplest table game can be immagined.

Now, if you begin to place stones on the line crosses of the table and you know the laws of the game (not too difficult, relatively simple), then...

You can find yourself in the greatest trouble ever, while playing a simple game with very simple components & and relatively simple laws. And this game is just a specific representation of reality. It's special but not the only one. Which means there can be other similar examples exist, as well as in physics as in mechanics.

In conclusion, this means that a principle can be as laughable simple that a child can laugh on its simplicity, but this does not neccesary mean that the proper application of the principle has the same easyness or simplicity.

So, simplicity and complexity cannot be easily separated from each other.
Another example can be the simple formation of an even circle compared to its transcendental number Pi.
Therefore from this specialized viewpoint a circle is a paradox in itself, simplicity and complexity in one laughable simple formation. It's really easy to lost in a large labyrinth, if you can't see, understand, or at least suspect how the labyrinth is built up.

Now, What do you guess about Bessler's mechanism if he stated more times that the solution is simple?

And this is the situation which asks for an unusual, different mind who can solve it.

[Patrick]

Where is George Kunsler anyway? He is the only other one that speaks this language; besides myself of course.

Hello Jacob Alex!
I can see you have close to the Bessler secret what is. Others of sharp mind as yourself have seen it just once to pinch gravity/ as in when you view simply childrens toy; like of the pop-up-stick...watch closely and the string and weight continue in the circle ...and then again\again. It is the same with Bessler. Just around and you have the wheel that ever is of the rotation!

More and the same!--patrick

[iacob alex]

Hi Gregory!
Your suggestion dealing with Go game ,regarding the binomial simplicity-complexity is well-adapted.
Something ,"as simple as possible,but not simpler" can be a way to define,surround a phenomenon.
This was the manner,alike a Go game style,to elucidate the first lines of Milkovic's double mechanical oscillatory system,if you take a look at "Two sticks game..." topic.
More,at "One stick game...' ,I suggested to have in sight a pendulum(bob-arm -pivot) in a extension shape,as a physical body pendulum.
Why?
I think that ,if the pivot is setted in different places of the body/stick,we get so many patterns of the swinging motions in gravity.
As I see the things ,for a gravity engine,this pendular motion can be slower than "g" and pulsatory.
The simple pendulum is perhaps the simplest system in physics.
It can be that elementary "small ellipsoid stone ",as you said, in a possible huge "Go game" with the physical world reality.
All the Bests! / Alex

[rounder]

LOL - this is getting ridiculous, i think jacob is from another country. he is using well spoken words but he jams them all together like a riddle. easyer terms = more simplicity.

[jim_mich]

Yes, alex is from another country but now lives in the USA. English is not his native lanquage. His punctuation is horrible and makes his posts painful to read. But he now hits the return key at the end of sentences which makes his posts almost bearable. He is quite intelligent but his poor writing skills make him seem not so. I suggest we cut him a little slack and try to understand what he's trying to say, OK?

[bluesgtr44]

I agree, Jim....and maybe consolidate into one thread...jumping through a lot of threads that he is tying together is a bit of a pain. I might actually do some copy/paste with some to see if I can follow any linearity in what he is trying to convey. Of course, it could be me.....:-)


Steve

[LustInBlack]

I think all the post of iacob can be interpreted as this :

Don't despair, you can find potential in gravity and perpetuate it, I don't know how, but look at what milkovic did and look at the maths of a pendulum..


AT least, that is what I see in all his posts.. Doesn't matter if there are many words and word-games into his syntax.. I think he does turn around the subject of pendulums and gravity potential, but I don't see the point.. Yet!

[iacob alex]

Hi !

Sorry,again:bad news for Bessler's group(in the line of the "wheel vs. lever" concept...),if you take a very short look at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PES_Berrett/

By the way,thinking deeper,it's a good news for all the people:they have something to measure at the output.

Their system is a promising hope.

"In all things it is better to hope than to dispair"(Goethe).

Anyway,All the Bests! / Alex

[LustInBlack]

All my respect Iacob, but that doesn't affect me in any way..

I am still convinced the answer is here.

[iacob alex]

Hi LiB !

It's better for all the people ,to have more ways,and everybody to believe in his own.So we can touch the reality with a happy chance.

"Every man is the architect of his own fortune"(Sallust).

In science,the happy chance of a single man,can be a fortune for all the people.

All the Bests! / Alex

[pstroud]

"Every man is the architect of his own fortune"(Sallust).

In science,the happy chance of a single man,can be a fortune for all the people.

All the Bests! / Alex

Alex, I agree and thanks for your contributions!

p

[iacob alex]

Hi Pstroud !

A forum like this,must be a team, so that any contribution can sparkle,scintillate some useful ideas.

Everybody has his evolutive soft-mind constellation ,so a chance to find a solution,as a new "star" in his thinking.

As a farmer:sow the good seeds firstly,take care of them,and if it rains
you can hope for the harvest...of energy.

My "seed" this time is the inertial induction,as it seems to me this Milkovic's device.

Maybe,we are living in a time,similar to the beginnings of electricity,two hundreds years ago:a simple game with a magnet and a closed loop.

Your wheel concept,with two spokes only,can be seen as a "minimal" wheel,so we are in the same boat.

The problem is to make it moving on the river of time:to start it as "fire",than to help it to be self turning.

All the Bests! / Alex

[rlortie]

Alex,

Minds working together. The pessimist debating the optimist. The fuel that will fire inspiration in both.

The Milkovic-Barret device with the pendulum inside the wheel using Peter Lindemann's Ratchet proposal. Now we are getting down to wheel talk. Something this forum can run with! A self excited pendulum synchronized by lobes on the wheel.

Throw in a heavy rimmed flywheel for inertial dampening and you have a smooth runner.

Ralph