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Hi !

In the beginning,it can be a great surprise and a real question in the same time.

So,we know the the mass has,in the same time gravitational and inertial properties.It plays "double".

Now,the question:a swinging mass(pendulum),due to gravity potential flow,acts vis-a-vis inertia an induction scenario ?

Can we call it an inertial induction?

Each time the pendular mass temporary stops(top position),its interplay with inertia transiently ends.

We have an oscillatory start-speed up-slow down-stop/and again...interaction with inertia.

The induction is the act of inducing,or state of being inducted.

In electricity,induction is an electromagnetic proximity process between two bodies.

Can we apply an analogy here?

Take it please ,for the moment ,as a phantom of the mind...

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Sounds like a play on words, but for what it is worth:

IMO yes, at the top of the swing or amplitude, inertia is inducted by gravity during its fall. It is that inertia which drives the pendulum up the other side working against gravity, until the inertia is used up. Only to be re-inducted as the bob falls once again. Simply put; if inertia were not inducted then the bob would cease motion once achieving vertical pendant.

Unfortunately the amount of inertia gathered does not equal or surpass the force of gravity, and the pendulum soon ceases to swing. A resonating pulse applied to the pendulum about 2/3rds between zenith and true vertical will make up for the lost inertia. If the pulse timing is on the money the bob will keep increasing in amplitude and eventually make it over the top.

Mechanical problem is that the pulsing input must vary as the amplitude of the bob changes. This is where one must consider Galileo Galilei's paper on the physical characteristics of pendulus.

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Hi Rlortie!

Maybe a simple test can tell us more.

We can compare the swinging time of a pendular mass on a fixed fulcrum/pivot(an usual pendulum) with the swinging time of the same mass on a balancing fulcrum(Milkovic's "unusual' pendulum,for the same initial conditions.

Then we can talk...

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Alex,

Sounds like a simple test that Milkovic could easily perform. fix the beam stationary and pulse the pendulum. Time its motion until rest. Then release the beam and pulse again with the same amount of push and record the time elapsed again.

I note that Milkovic uses a a very short pendule rod which governs the time per cycle, and his weight is rather heavy for such a short swing. A good attempt at conserving inertia and or transferring it to the beam. Therefore IMO the pendulum will swing longer from a stationary pivot.

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Hi Rlortie!

I agree for your specific ready-made set-up suggestion.

Then,the next message will be sent to Prof Milkovic,to perform this test.

When I will have an answer from him,I will place it on this topic.


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One of the problems of disispating energy from a swinging pendulum is due to 'sway'. [I believe this is why he says that he needs a firmer more rigid base.] Sway is where no matter how firmly attached the pivot is to the background [or beam in this case] it will stress & tension the pivot & cause it to move towards the pendulum bob. This accelerates the dampening of the amplitude.
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Good point Fletch! I agree.

Something one should take into account when considering an internal pendulum driven wheel. The dampening you speak of will show its ugly head as "Back torque"

Milkovic uses a very healthy looking beam, but has readily admitted on film that his base on some of his prototypes is not sturdy or heavy enough to negate the dampening effect.

If he does as Alex requests, then let us hope the test is performed on his heavy based machine.

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...can be a common,basic aspect of a pendular swinging motion in the gravity field and... in the never get out property of the space:the inertia.

A pendular mass,falls due to the gravity flow,but in the same time ,plays an increasing interplay with the inertial property of the space.

When a pendular mass,keeping on his swinging,raises against the gravity flow,it is "supplied",in a decreasing interplay by the same inertial property of the space.

Can we talk as to an inertial induction phenomenon?

In a "plastic language"(that of Alexander Calder's sculptures),to play induction,we need two kinds of bodies:"stabile" and "mobile".

In an electromagnetic language,to play induction,we need two kinds of magnetic fields:a frame field and a flowing field.A mechanical motion,can be a result of their interaction.

In a possible inertial induction phenomenon,we have as a frame("stabile"),the inertia and as a flowing field("mobile"),the gravity.A moving mass,is intimated involved,in the same time,in the one and the other.

Can we make a "transfer design" from the so well known electromagnetic induction,to a possible inertial induction phenomenon?

More,can we use,try to apply to some existing magnetic devices,claimed as "free energy" sources,in a new shape and arrangement:Milkovic's pendulum with a lever?

If the induction phenomenon is a widespread one,it can cover many forms,circumstances...an inertial induction,inclusive.

But,nothing quite possible new is right on...

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...that of a common swinging pendulum(mechanical clock),in a fixed fulcrum/pivot,bearing,is as a "captive" pressure,thrust that is dissipated,lost in the in the support,basis.

A swinging pendular motion,in a mobile fulcrum(Milkovic,Berrett,the shadouf and many others) ,becomes a "free" pressure,ready to be used by the next fulcrum.

The engines deliver the power in a pulsatory flow manner.

A clock pendulum has a "captive" pulsatory flow of energy.

A pendulum with a lever has a "free" pulsatory flow of energy.

The problem of energy is that of the difference between two states,levels.

A clock pendulum has a symmetric trajectory face to the gravity flow.

A pendulum with a lever has an asymmetric trajectory face to the gravity flow.

Can this symmetric vs. asymmetric setting side by side , uncover a difference that we can use as a source of energy?

Sometimes,the hope is our walking dream .

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Are we looking to hard and not at the obvious?

The 21st of this month was my birthday! I received a gift of another magnetic/Hall switch operated mobile.

As I type this I see setting in front of me a pulsed pendulum driving a secondary inner axis a full 360 degrees, using angular momentum to keep it cycling. It has not missed a beat or cycle since settling in to a resonate amplitude.

I can also visualize this machine with another magnet attached at such an angle to drive a larger heavy wheel with a segmented rim of opposing magnets. not unlike a clock escapement. Only in this case the driver is the driven.

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Alex,
A clock pendulum has a "captive" pulsatory flow of energy.
A pendulum with a lever has a "free" pulsatory flow of energy.

The problem of energy is that of the difference between two states,levels.
A clock pendulum has a symmetric trajectory face to the gravity flow.

A pendulum with a lever has an asymmetric trajectory face to the gravity flow.
Attached is a .jpg file of my new plaything, I believe it answers your above quote and plainly shows an asymmetric trajectory in three planes at once.

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is the length of a pendulumn directly related to how long it can rock back and forth? Or is it the weight of the anchor?
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The principle of the pendulum was discovered by Italian physicist and astronomer Galileo, who established that the period for the back-and-forth oscillation of a pendulum of a given length remains the same, no matter how large its arc, or amplitude.

"Pendulum," Microsoft(R) Encarta(R) 97 Encyclopedia. (c) 1993-1996 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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...can be a new for us(but so "old" as the Universe...) phenomenon in connection with the inertial property of space.

Maybe is the same story , a kind of "Marconi redivivus",not so long time ago(end of the 19-th century):after so many tests,it happend that a condenser dropped accidentally to the ground and...the L-C circuit started to pump energy outside.He get emission...

Now,we know about and cann't live without the concept of the electromagnetic field (radio,tv,mobile-cell...),but do not use,please the binomial inertial field(you can lose the physic's exam!)...so call it as an inertial property of space,only.

Let's think about the secondary acceleration,called jerk or yank.

The car builders know about it when they make cam shafts.

Some kids ,intuitively use this acceleration discontinuity,when they rotate and push-pull the string so to throw a mass.

When acceleration meets deceleration for a short moment,we ca play a "double" speeding up...so a possible gain ,if we think about the input-output relation.

It's not a trick,but a reality of the physical world.

Camshaft builders attempt to reduce the jerk motions,so that to have smaller vibrations inducted in the following system.

Kids take advantage of this artifice,when throwing masses.

Milkovic's pendular hammer discharges this motion into an anvil.

Now,a natural question:what happens,if we manage to expel,discharge,emit this powerful yank motion out of our system?

If we arrange to make up this process,as a continuous flow,in relation with inertia,our switching game of acceleration can be full of promise to attach us ,on a temporary stream of power?!

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...can be considered a simple technique(modus operandi),a change that induces a flow.

Faraday's law states that a change in magnetic field,generates a voltage difference,so a discharge/spark(in an open circuit) or a flow (in a closed circuit).

A direct application,dynamo,i s a generator that produces direct current with the use of a commutator.

We can consider a swinging pendular motion as a commuter process,but where the "great power" is "captive" inside the fulcrum.

Milkovic's pendulum with a lever, has the performance to release this power, from the mobile fulcrum, and to load it, on the opposite arm of the lever.

Here, we have two steps:

-to get out the power,in a hand water-pump model (IT'S MADE!?)

-to get out the power,if possible...in a river-wheel model

So,if we have an engineered unseen flow,how can be the "wheel" and

what's about the "self motion"!?

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