The Solution To Bessler's Wheel

[Dave Roberts]

Good morning everyone. I have solved the principle used in Bessler's Wheel. I am willing to share this with everyone, just asking that I get credit for solving and revealing it. This is the end result of literally thousands of hours of effort.

I personally want to than Scott for setting up this website and John Collins and others for all of their contributions. I also want to thank Ralph as he has been a big help with this also.

Now, how do I reveal this with guarantees that the solution can not be circumvented before everyone gets it? I would hate for one individual to get it and capitalize before the others.

I have considered having all interested to send me and email (interesting to know how many I would get) and I would respond and post here at the same time. Any better solution?

Don't get me wrong, I do not have a working wheel but once the principle is seen and understood, it will be painfully obvious and very simple as compared to many of the others that I have built. Several people here have been dancing around the solution and may have it.

Although the solution is simple, the description is not and it may take a day or two to make adequate drawings.

This has been a big decision for me and I know that some will thank and others will be critical, but I have made my decision.

[John Collins]

Dave I'm sort of pleased that you have announced this but I'm also concerned, as I too know the principle upon which Bessler's wheel worked.

I have known it for some months and indeed posted something to that effect some time ago. I've been trying to find the time to complete a working model and I too don't yet have one and I too know that it is only a matter of time before someone builds a successful wheel based upon my concept.

It is the reason why I mentioned that I was going to post an encoded description of the concept on my web site. I guess that if we are both talking about the same concept (and I can't think why we wouldn't be) there is going to be some discussion about who thought of it first. I have full description already written out, complete with drawings, but I am hoping that you will discuss things with me before you go ahead. Anyway it will be interesting to see if we are both on the same track.

Email me, please.

JC

[Gregory]

Hello Dave,

If you really have a working principle, then you already have all the credit. You only have to prove it, talk about it and you'll be in history books.

People would never forget you...
Just teach them.

[coylo]

I have considered having all interested to send me and email (interesting to know how many I would get) and I would respond and post here at the same time. Any better solution?

Scott has a very fine forum here, and I think he set up this forum with the dream of a solution, eventually being uncovered here.
I'd keep it as public and open as possible. Let everyone see it for what it's worth. I believe the forum to be highly honourable and will give credit where credit is due. We'd make sure of that, and it's not much to ask for, we owe it to the inventor.

You'd have to put up with absolute proof demands, but if you have a working wheel like you say you do then this should not be a problem.

Good Luck, Dave.

[AB Hammer]

Greetings Dave Roberts

I am one that believes in giving credit where credit is due. I also communicate with Ralph on a regular bases and I consider him as my Mentor on this quest, and not afraid to show him what I am doing. I have 3 wheels in the works and one of them will be finished today and if a runner it will be bidirectional, another (2 of the same design, one is to be sent to Ralph) that will be done shortly after. The third one is from all the clues that I have been able to put together from my interpretations from the whitenesses and besslers writings. Ralph is the top of my list of helpers and would get credit, as well as Stewart, Fletcher, and more for there help in this from this forum. The only reason I have not posted more of the what I have been up to is due to other eyes.

To be fair I would only be able to give credit as to you came up with the same conclusion if it is the same as mine at the same time. But if your conclusion is different, the story be will yours and those that have helped you.

This is my way.

[rmd3]

Dave,

Haven't many a folk laid claim to this before? I don't understand the need to announce and idea without a physical model. Afterall, this is a PMM were talking about.

My advice to all is to get a working model first, unless you really don't care about reaping any material benefits - in the latter case, you should post all ideas for everyone to see.

If you really just want credit for solving it, then post it. It's hard to deny the first to publish the idea as the discoverer, isn't it. I mean, everyone else would just look like they were trying to get a piece of the pie.

On the other hand, the world will probably only believe in a working model.

-Randall

PS. Wait! Maybe this is a ploy! AHA! Nice try, Dave... ...but you won't trick me into revealing my secret!!!

[rlortie]

Hello all,

Dave says;

Don't get me wrong, I do not have a working wheel but once the principle is seen and understood, it will be painfully obvious and very simple as compared to many of the others that I have built. Several people here have been dancing around the solution and may have it.

coylo replies with;

You'd have to put up with absolute proof demands, but if you have a working wheel like you say you do then this should not be a problem.

Already the masses are muddled!

John says;

Dave I'm sort of pleased that you have announced this but I'm also concerned, as I too know the principle upon which Bessler's wheel worked.

I and an associate feel that we are on the right track also and discovered what we believe the answer by accident and then discovering that the the coinciding clues have already been made public.

I have known it for some months and indeed posted something to that effect some time ago. I've been trying to find the time to complete a working model and I too don't yet have one and I too know that it is only a matter of time before someone builds a successful wheel based upon my concept.

Whether it be your concept is questionable of such claim remains to be seen. I do suggest that you start looking for the time to complete your build as I feel the finish line is drawing near. Ideas and members are increasing at an exponential rate the last few months. More incentive, motivation, and "out of the box thinking is being displayed.

It is the reason why I mentioned that I was going to post an encoded description of the concept on my web site. I guess that if we are both talking about the same concept (and I can't think why we wouldn't be) there is going to be some discussion about who thought of it first. I have full description already written out, complete with drawings, but I am hoping that you will discuss things with me before you go ahead. Anyway it will be interesting to see if we are both on the same track.

AS a bystander I will bet that you are not on the same track! But someone will attempt to claim credit as their idea no matter what the design may be based upon.

John, as for posting the clues on your web site, you have without realizing it (my opinion) already posted the biggest of all clues, the one referred to as the slap on the head and "why didn't I see that" It has been staring at you and all of us for years. Now I await the outcome of yours and Dave's concepts to see if they are alike and if they are based on the afore mentioned clue!

Remember I challenged you to a race meant in jest, members such as Dave, myself and those associated with me including Alan are starting to feel the pressure. The competition is getting heavy thus promoting innovation that some individuals did not realize they had.

Ralph

[coylo]

Dave says;
Quote:
Don't get me wrong, I do not have a working wheel but once the principle is seen and understood, it will be painfully obvious and very simple as compared to many of the others that I have built. Several people here have been dancing around the solution and may have it.

coylo replies with;
Quote:
You'd have to put up with absolute proof demands, but if you have a working wheel like you say you do then this should not be a problem.

Already the masses are muddled!

Ooops, my mistake!
How could I have missed that? (coylo, now very disheartened.)

[John Collins]

Is it possible that a number of us have come up with the same concept? I don't know the answer to that but what I do know is that if anyone here read and understood my concept they would be quite certain that this was the solution. No need to make a working device, although definitely highly desirable, once you know the answer. That is why I am so sure that Dave Roberts has the solution, when you know - you really do know!.

Ralph I'm not sure if you were implying anything (I don't think you were)but I can assure you that I will not attempt to claim credit for any idea if it is not mine. I have been working on the wheel for the last few days having recently recovered from a long illness, and I promise I won't let up until I finish it and it works.

JC

[rmd3]

How about "A solution" as opposed to "THE solution". There are many ways to skin a cat, and there are many mechanisms which can manipulate forces in like fashion.

I can not confirm or deny that I have two solutions or more.... do I need to or should I even consider disclosing that I have even one solution without a working model? What does it do for anybody?

I guess I'm trying to figure out what the value in making such an announcement is.

-Randall

[daxwc]

I guess I'm trying to figure out what the value in making such an announcement is.

-Randall

Exactly my feelings... I have drafts for both single directional and bi-directional wheels that work and based on the same principle. So what??? I am sure I am not the only one working on this same princple right now... build it and they will come.

But don't worry on my end, I will not have time to build till spring due to heavy work load. The only way you would release the information is if you thought you were behind and want to...

[rlortie]

John,

No I was not implying that you would seek or claim credit for another's achievement. There are a number of members with integrity that have earned my respect and trust, you are one of them!

It is my opinion; the chances of a working wheel resembling some one else's design in some manner will be a very high probability. Considering all the designs that have accumulated over the last 300 years places the odds very high against the one who achieves it.

The key to who is first will go to the receiver of a patent pending certification. If the patent application is properly worded then anyone else laying claim would be facing a costly court battle.

Ralph

[evgwheel]

Dave Roberts stated on Sat. Jan. 2008 2:27pm

Good morning everyone. I have solved the principle used in Bessler's Wheel. I am willing to share this with everyone, just asking that I get credit for solving and revealing it. This is the end result of literally thousands of hours of effort

Evgwheel wrote Sat Jan. 2008 11:23am (3 hours earlier) so sue me))

I am quiet convinced that some of the claims come from our own members, stating that the new invention was taken from their post and let us face it, we must have covered almost everything that could be related to parts of a working wheel.
Fun times ahead.

(I just didn’t know that the fun times ahead would start that early)
At least some member revealed their true colour (bitches)

[BIBLEAL]

Many of us think we know the solution . We like to brag that we found it. It is so simple we say. It is a disease we suffer . I know I have been guilty of this as well and wrong so many times. I am reminded of the story of the three blind mice and the elephant. One has the tail , another the trunk and another the leg and they all think they know what an elephant is. In our situation we don't have an elephant we have : a driver, a seer, a buyer, a runner ,a thresher, children with clubs, horses, dogs, a cunning cat or cats and mice, crabs, shadow boxers, arobats, a peacock's tail and a ghost thrown in for good measure. And I'm not sure I have all the animals . And besides this, many more items that are not animals at all. All this inside a wheel. It is so simple. Me thinks it best we wait till some one builds a wheel that works and does work. It turns by gravity only and shows a video.
These animals from John Collins Book Poetica Apologia

I have deciphered a few of the clues John Bessler left but will wait till I have a working wheel however long that may take. Then it would be right to post a notice on this website and also share the credit as is only right with those who helped. Also we should have a big celebration party together ,whoever finds it and this would be just the start of great things to come . BIBLEAL

[daxwc]

BIBLEAL said:

I have deciphered a few of the clues John Bessler left but will wait till I have a working wheel however long that may take.

I always wondered how you were making out.


Evgwheel:

(I just didn’t know that the fun times ahead would start that early)
At least some member revealed their true colour

I wish nobody ill will, but I just think that Robert should think about putting all his hard work in the public domain. It all depends on his reasoning, it could very well not be in his best interests. For me it is more like a puzzle ... but if you want to make money you should wait. If you wish to share for the better of humanity thats fine too. Any reasons in between are very suspect in my view. I think I know why Robert and Collins are getting antsy... I say relax it will pass.