Parametric oscillation

[John Collins]

Parametric oscillation is normally used within the optical sciences but may have an application here.

This web site link
has a brief description of it and how it may apply to our own work, "Parametric oscillation occurs when one of the parameters of the system is varied. A child can "pump" a swing by standing and raising and lowering her center of mass periodically, changing the length of the pendulum. The child pumps at twice the pendulum frequency, generating a sub harmonic."

In our case the centre of gravity is the oscillating parameters within the system.

I offer this as a means towards explaining why overbalanced wheels can work without challenging the laws of physics and also perhaps point us in the right direction and a solution.

Any observations welcome and if anyone discovers further research which throws up useful information on parametric oscillations and how we might be able to use it, would be appreciated.

I suppose that I should acknowledge here, that although I have been working with parametric oscillation for some time I did not know it, until a respected correspondant informed me of this fact.

John Collins

[Necronite]

I can remeber playing with parametric ossicaltions. I think there is web applet out there somewhere of a pendulum. I was able to the applet to mainting a tending to infinite pendulum swing. Even with damping forces. (resistance to swing or something you may power). I used small vertical oscialltion to excite the pendulum, and the mass was not insignificant. I wish i could remember more info....

[scott]

You might be interested to read my post on the subject from a couple of years ago:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/104.html
There are also some links to applets there...
-Scott

[Fletcher]

Hey that's awsome Scott, funny how you find you have experimented with these ideas & concepts i.e. impulse v's impact etc. Equally funny (spooky) is that the "butterfly" is a mechanical parametric oscillation using gravity & interia as I previously said. We experimented with it about a year ago.
It is not however a pendulum on a spring.

The latest wheel design we have been working on for about 6 months now is a two system design that in effect is a mechanical parametric oscillation also. The subsystems should interact within the wheel to energise/replentish each other. At least thats the theory. Just put this in as words of encouragement to those pursuing similar thoughts.

-Fletcher

[Tinhead]

Also funny how this Topic shows up, just the moment Fletcher & I decide to release some more infos about our own little project.

Both of us followed quite a lot of different concepts, failures, in a way always trying to build the 'overbalanced' wheel. As many other designs on this board try to do. We realized soon that this is a one way road.

Closed system = closed force development = nada, nichts, nothing to gain

Now we are trying to break the cycle .. 2 systems (weights) interacting with each other, the buyer buys, the seller sells. Let me post some pictures to show the basic concept ( if attaching them will work).

Picture 1:
A self balancing leverage, behaves like a pendulum that can only swing horizontal .. left to right.

Picture 2:
Now lets add System 2, a plain normal pendulum (the buyer) to see how it behaves .. interesting, isn't it? After one swing System one will end up in a HIGHER position!!! THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WAITING FOR

Picture 3:
Just the complete cycle what it would look like if I let it swing on & on, but thats not our intention, right?

As mentioned, this is the just basic Idea where we started. Fletcher came up with a completely different design we will follow. But same basics .. 2 systems interacting.

I'll try to post this now, have a look, ask questions, more explanations to follow.

Cheers, the Kiwi Team,
Fletcher & Rainer

[Tinhead]

Ok, the order of the pictures is the wrong way around. Hey, that was not what the preview showed me!!!

Also, for sure, the highest position is not at the end of the 1st swing, it happens earlier. Watch the diagramm, thats where you have to 'harness' it. The big weight is still on its way to its rest position, should be no problem at all.

So guys, go and break the cycle.

Rainer

[Jonathan]

Is the blue line, that eventually traces a butterfly, the compound center of mass of the two systems?

[Tinhead]

Is the blue line, that eventually traces a butterfly, the compound center of mass of the two systems?

The blue line traces the center of the small red weight. As mentioned, this is not supposed to be a working design. Just an example for mechanical oscilation.

Cheers,
Rainer

[John Collins]

I was delighted to see the blue line as it confirms some other things I've been working on for years. Those who've read my book will remember my suggestion that that shape (the elongated 'S') would form a part of the successful wheel. The savonius windmill has it, as does the ancient yin-yang symbol (when correctly drawn). You can also see it in UK garage forecourts (gas stations) where they are spun by the wind and usually say "open" or something like that.

I have been told - although I can't confirm it's accuracy- that Tesler said that shape forms the basis of all energy systems. I can also confirm that Bessler himself used the shape in a very significant way and accentuated the fact so as to be able to draw attention to it at a later date

In summary I think that the elongated 'S' shape will turn up in Bessler's wheel probably marking the path of some moving part.

John Collins

[Jonathan]

A quote before he changes it:

...accuracy- that Tesler said...

I believe that should read "Tesla".
So you're JFK now? Or have you written Bessler too many times? LOL!
EDIT
I see, I couldn't even tell that red thing was moving vertically at all. Also, this maybe of interest:
R1: 60
R2: -30
P: 30
Spirograph website

[John Collins]

Oops Tesla! Of course - (slaps forehead!)

Sorry Jon - I don't get the JFK reference.

Now that (spirograph) is interesting!

John C.

[Jonathan]

Yes, it could be used as an alternative to get the same effect as the first (but listed last) attachment by MrTim.
If you watch the History Channel sometime, and listen to JFK's speaches, you'll hear the weird way he talks. He pronounces 'a' as 'er' when at the end of a word. I remember it was spoofed by The Simpsons at least once, JFk comes to Lisa in a dream, and he calls her 'Lisser' (pr.: leaser). LOL!

[coylo]

May I ask John, How long have you been researching and working on the Bessler phenomenon?

...and may I wish you the very best of luck with your design. I suppose if anyone deserves to find the solution, it would be you.

[John Collins]

May I ask John, How long have you been researching and working on the Bessler phenomenon?

My reply may dishearten you all, but here goes- since I was fourteen and I'm 59 now! Let's see er 45 years! You see I'm something of an optimist and Bessler has been my passion and my obssession, and I have always believed that the solution would be found tomorrow or real soon.

I must be honest and admit that the actual historical research did not begin until I was about 40 years of age and then it occurred as and when the opportunity arose. I spent much of the first few years just writing endless letters to libraries and museums around the world seeking information. Fortunately I live in a country blessed with some of the finest historical collections available anywhere , so much of my research took place right here in the UK.

John C.

[coylo]

Thanks for the honest reply. It took me 3 days to get over it.

You see I'm something of an optimist and Bessler has been my passion and my obssession, and I have always believed that the solution would be found tomorrow or real soon.

Was there ever any moment during this period that elements of doubt crept in, with the realisation that you've wasted your time and energy on this whole subject?
When I think of the time I've spent on this obsession, when I could of spent it on something more rewarding, rather than failure after failure. If only I could apply the motivation and drive I have for my besslerwheel concepts to other lesser ideas, I'd be a goddam billionaire.
Sometimes I wish I'd never heard of Bessler or PM.

Anyways, I think the concept I'm working on now is the one........LOL