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This is kind of off topic, but it relates to free energy. I grew up on a small 32 acre farm that my parents bought in 1950 when I was 3 years old. The old stone farm house was built in 1852. When we moved in it had minimal electricity. There was a transformer at the power line across the road. From there the 110/220 volt lines ran to a power pole located northwest of the house and then they attached to the southwest corner of the house. During the next few year my Dad installed a water pump, electric water heater, electric stove, and added many new electric outlets in the house. He ran electricity to the barn initially for lights and heaters to keep the chicken water-fountains from freezing. He ran an underground plastic water pipe from the house to the barn to provide water for the chickens. The cows drank from the creek down near the road. He added milking machines for the cows. About this time he needed to add a water heater and milk cooler in the barn but was having trouble getting enough electric power to the barn. The wires were too small from the house to the barn. And the distance from the transformer to the house and then on to the barn was too great. When everything was drawing power at once the normal 120 volts in the house was dropping to less than 90 volts and at the barn it was even lower. Our TV picture would shrink to about 3/4 normal height. The electric bill was way higher than it should be considering the usage because much of the electricity was being wasted as heat on the lines.

So my parents discussed the problem with the electric company and it was decided to re-wire the incoming power. They brought the power lines from the next pole south on the main line across the road to a pole in the yard and then to a pole between the house and barn, where they placed the transformer. This was a distance of about 260 feet. The local electrician wired a meter at that pole. From there the power ran north about 100 feet to the house and it ran south about 100 feet to the barn. He also installed a new circuit breaker box to replace the old undersized fuse box in the house. During the first week of being on the new wiring something went wrong on one of the circuits. I remember the kitchen light being only half bright and they varied according to how much electricity was being used at the barn. I seems that one of the new connections in the breaker box was not tight.

My Dad found that the electric bill became very small. For some reason the meter would measure less electricity than what my Dad knew was being used. When electricity was used in the barn it seemed to cancel out the electricity used in the house, and visa versa. When the house and the barn used about the same amount of electricity the meter would stall and not turn. My Dad, thinking that the meter was defective or wired wrong contacted both the electric company and the electrician. Both said the wiring was correct. The electric company said the drop in usage was due to better wiring. My Dad knew how much power all the appliances used and knew the usage on the bill was too low.

Now fast forward a few years. My Dad had quit farming due to health reasons and the electric bill went up to near normal. Then my younger brother gets a divorce and moves back home to my parents. He has an electric kiln for making pottery, which he puts in the barn. During months that he used the kiln my parents electric bill would drop almost in half.

Now here comes the possible free energy thought. What if there is some previously unknown effect where wires strung on utility poles in a particular configuration will cause free energy to flow in those wires? Attached is Google satellite picture of the farm. I've added red lines to show the power lines. Note that the wires form a Tee shape that has a slight angle thus it has a slight arrow shape. The base of the Tee is higher voltage. The two arms of the Tee are lower voltage. The transformer is on the pole between the house and barn. Wires run from the transformer, down the pole to the meter then back up the pole. Then they split and run in two directions. The wires going both to the house and to the barn are the older standard separate three wires running parallel with each other and not the newer insulated wires that run bundled together. I'm not sure if there are two wires or three wires running on the higher voltage power lines from across the road, if I had to guess I would say only two wires, a power and a ground.

This is something that has bugged me for years. This relates to a Canadian patent filed on 09/18/1923 and issued on 9/15/1925 Canadian patent number 253765 by Frank Watt Prentice titled "Electrical Power Accumulator". This was one of six Canadian patents by Frank Watt Prentice. It seems that when electric wires were run in a particular fashion and energized with 500 watts of power then nearby electric wires would pick electricity enough to energize 3000 watts of power, thus an increase of about six times.
Frank Watt Prentice in Canadian patent 253765 wrote:In the development of my WIRELESS TRAIN CONTROL SYSTEM for railways, covered in my United States Letters Patent Number 843,550, I discovered that with an antennae consisting of one wire of suitable diameter supported by insulating means three to six inches above the ground and extending one half mile, more or less in length, the said antennae being grounded at one end through a spark gap and energized at the other end by a high frequency generator of 500 watts and having a secondary frequency of 500,000 would produce in said antennae oscillatory frequency the same as that of the earth currents and thus electrical power from the surrounding media was accumulated along the length of the antennae and with a closed oscillatory loop antennae 18 feet in length run parallel with the transmission antennae at a distance of approximately 20 feet it was possible to obtain by tuning the loop antennae, sufficient power to light to full candle a series bank of 50 sixty watt carbon lamps, Lowering or raising of the transmission antennae resulted in a proportionate decrease of power picked up on the receiving antennae and at the 6 feet above the earth no power what-ever was obtainable without a change of potential and frequency.

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Under certain operation requirements I have found it expedient to have the transmission antennae elevated and carried on poles many feet above the earth and in that case a different voltage and frequency was necessary to accumulate earth currents along the transmission antennae 14.
See for Reference:
http://patents.ic.gc.ca/cipo/cpd/en/pat ... mmary.html
http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?hl=en&ie ... 3&t=k&z=20
http://home.att.net/~Irby_tree/FWP_Inventions.htm
http://home.att.net/~Irby_tree/Prentice.htm

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Just some info: that bit in the patent quote illuminates a bit ( possibly ) on what Tesla said he discovered, that the earth has millions of volts of currents in it.
Tesla played around a lot with spark gap generators, different frequencies in different materials, and antenna's. There's also a measurable ( but believed to be unusable ) potential voltage difference in radio transmission antennaes, the higher they are put into the air the greater the voltage increase.
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Jim, I think it's far more likely that something is going on with the meter itself - the way it is internally or externally connected to the lines. IIRC, there was a fellow out here some years ago who could make a meter run backwards by changing the input phase with a simple transformer connection. Hey, far be it from me to spoil a good story though :)
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May have to do with the resistance of the system or something like that. Or micro peaks in the system not being registered. I have no idea really!
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My 1¢...
Before to think of free-energy, the most common to hapen is a measuring not solved problem.
If you have, after the transformer - where doesn't mind the imput - 3 wires, they will be 2 phases and a neutral.
From phase to other phase you have 220V and from each individual phase to neutral, 110V.
The measuring device must be preppared to measure all this and will be mounted with 2 internal Current Transformers - one for each phase - needed for one out of balance measuring biphasic system.
Two wrong things may hapen:
- the installed measurer was not a proper one, and will send just the total power of one fase in 220 or 110V.
- the right measurer will present the 2 CTs as specification, but one of them is burnned or with some connection problem. In both cases the phase that doesn't have the CT will send free power at 110V.
A connection problem may be inside the measurer and may not be evident when that CT is tested.
Also to be considered is some strong magnectic field around measurer, maybe an old-fashion type.
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EDITION: another reason may be on this case. Suppose the measurer is well specified and has its two CT to measure all supplyed power, but ONE of these CT is in inverted position!
This is beatifull, because all signal of power that this inverted CT will send will be computed as CREDIT, just as it was a return to the line. The device will show just a balance between input and ''wrong output''. :)
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It is most likely an issue with the meter not adding the legs (or adding one as a negative to the other). Perhaps the longer run creates a frequency lag offset relative to the meter.

You could readily check the draw of the seperate legs with an ammeter and voltmeter and compute the watt usage
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My brother (an electrical engineer) tells me that he thinks the meter had a bad bearing and that it would stall when near idle. He says that he could bump the meter and it would start again. This does not make sense to me, for it would not account for reading less when more electricity was used. I suppose it's possible that the meter could stall when more electricity was used due to some defect, though I cannot see how it could happen. I think the bumping thing to make the meter start again may have been just coincidence.

Off course being an engineer he refuses to believe in the possibility of free energy.

In either case, my parents passed away and the farm was sold many years ago, so I don't have easy access to it.


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murilo wrote;
Before to think of free-energy, the most common to hapen is a measuring not solved problem.
If you have, after the transformer - where doesn't mind the imput - 3 wires, they will be 2 phases and a neutral.
From phase to other phase you have 220V and from each individual phase to neutral, 110V.
Three-wire, 120/240 volt single phase power used in the USA and Canada is sometimes incorrectly called "two-phase". The proper term is split phase or 3-wire single-phase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-phase_electric_power

Two phase requiring four wires become obsolete in the early 1900's with the advent of capacitance starting motors.

Two HV wires feed a center tapped transformer requiring three wires to the meter and service panel. The center and usually smaller wire becomes the 'common' and the other two carry 110 volts each. 220 volts are achieved by connecting a two wire circuit between both legs and the common/neutral is bypassed.

The common also bypasses the meter and only the two hot legs are used to measure current flow. Once inside the breaker panel the common is connected to a ground buss bar that in turn is connected to the neutral buss making both earth grounded via grounding rods placed near the meter base.

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Ralph, hi.
I think that we are talking about same stuffs.
Two phases + N ( 110/220) is also called as bi-phasic, in my country.
In our systems, many and many times, in practice, the neutral is nothing less than the earth.
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Jim says: ''This does not make sense to me, for it would not account for reading less when more electricity was used. I suppose it's possible that the meter could stall when more electricity was used due to some defect, though I cannot see how it could happen...''

As I said, I'm out of practice for a while, but I still like to study hard cases!
If the reading is stalling for higher power circulating, there is another reason for the question:
- these current transformers, due to any reasons, with power rise was presenting ''saturation'' and the undirect measuring signal sent to the main device where stall and sink.
The saturation, in normal and calculated conditions, is a way the transformers behave to be self protected in over-current and short-circuits.
We'll never know exactly, but at least, now I got satisfied! :)
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Reading this patent has me thinking back again to when I was a kid. I've posted this up here before, when I was around 8-10 a friend of my Moms showed me a "trick" where she took a wooden toothpick and layed it in the cup of her hand. She then took another toothpick and layed it in cross fashion on top of that toothpick and then stroked the bottom toothpick with her finger. The toothpick that was resting on top would all of a sudden jump into the air, flipping over, like it had a life of its own. I tried to do it myself but she never really showed me the tecnique. The type of toothpicks were the kind where one end tapered to a pointed part and the other end was wider and rounded and two sides were flat and had more area than the other two sides. You use to see these kinds of toothpicks all the time in the 70's and 80's. I wonder if by stroking the toothpick a frequency was set up in both toothpicks and if it caused the one placed on top to jump because the energy being absorbed in the wood had nowhere else to go.
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Michael, reality is never quite as interesting as the things we might imagine.

A toothpick is held between thumb and forefinger while the fingernail of the middle finger is made to catch against the hidden end of the toothpick. Holding the toothpick firmly between thumb and forefinger, pressure is applied with the fingernail until the nail snaps off the end of the toothpick. This causes the toothpick resting on the other end to flick away with considerable force. A little bit of misdirection, such as stroking the toothpick, or rubbing it against your clothing in order to 'build up some static electricity', can only help ;)

The trick can also be done with matchsticks that have no specific frequency response. Hope I haven't spoiled it for you, have fun :D
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Bill you haven't read what I wrote.The first toothpick was laying in her open cuped hand. The second one was placed crossways on top, the lower part also on her hand, the upper resting on the first toothick. I was hardly a foot away from her. She showed this to me on two seperate occasions. She stroked the one underneath, very obvious. The second one then jumped in the air. I tried and tried after to duplicate it and I couldn't. The only thing I was I able to fathom to do was somthing similar to what you described. It's what I figured she must have done, but quickly I dismissed it because I saw what she did with my own eyes and there was no tension applied to any toothpick nor was there any finger nail flicking. I've also practised stage magic Bill so I am well aware of how to trick an audience. Maybe saying frequency was a little dumb and it might actually have been some kind of a static discharge and I thought of that but she showed me outside so she would have had to have rubbed the toothpicks on her jeans first without me seeing, but have you ever heard of that before where that would happen? There wasn't any spark. I've never been one to believe in fairy tails Bill,you haven't spoiled anything for me it's just not a plausible answer. If you have a better one I'm all ears.
I found her on facebook a while back and I might end up contacting her. I haven't because she and my Mom had a small falling out and I'm not too sure how she will respond.
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It sounds like you might be having a bit of a synchro-servo effect going on with the meter when it is trying to rotate. A bit of an opposite pull between the house and the barn could be causing this. The more equal the pull between the two, the more stationary the meter.....pulling more on one or the other would cause a rotation in that direction (+ or -).

I remember when I was younger, one of the tricks was to be able to bypass the wirelock on the door of the utility meter on your home....pull out the meter and flip it around to make the thing go in reverse, thus counting backwards. So, if there were a polarity cancelation of sorts in the wiring between the house and barn.....this could possibly cause a synchronous effect in the meter.....and then again.....;-)


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Looking for a bed time reader regarding free Electricity? You will be amused with this one!

http://www.thequantumkey.com/?hop=denteddisk

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