A design like no other?

[justsomeone]

Who amongst us has a wheel design unlike any other out there? A design

that may have some similarities but with a new twist. How confident are

you with this design? What can you tell us about it that is different? Do

you see gravity powering it or another force? Thanks in advance to all

those willing to throw us a bone.

[Grimer]

Who amongst us has a wheel design unlike any other out there? A design

that may have some similarities but with a new twist. How confident are

you with this design? What can you tell us about it that is different? Do

you see gravity powering it or another force? Thanks in advance to all

those willing to throw us a bone.

Well, if you look at my blog from 28th July to 1st August you will see a design (the Vesica Pisces Gravity Motor) with "a new twist" in that it unfolds the Bessler wheel into two wheels.

It would seem to me that this forum has two purposes. The first, to discover the secret of Bessler's wheel and reproduce it. The second, to find a way of harnessing the force of gravity to produce useful energy. I have concentrated on the second because I believe it allows more scope for innovation.

The Vesica exploits the conservation of angular momentum law. I can see no reason that it will not work but proof of the pudding is in the eating. Building a working model is the only thing that counts and unfortunately my abilities don't lie in that direction.

[Irish Oracle 2]

I have a design unlike any other.

As I have said all along ye are all going in the wrong direction with this. All the designs i have seen are flawed on the most basic level, the way i look at it is other people are thinking in mono, when bessler was thinking in 7.1 surround sound. His design is several layers deep, all the elements must act together all at once to produce the running wheel, thats why no one has solved it in 300 years.

[broli]

@justsomeone:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2580

@Irish Oracle 2: You're an idiot.

[LustInBlack]

Pump Up The Volume DUuude!

[Grimer]

I have a design unlike any other. ...

You have already made this abundantly clear in your previous incarnation as Irish Oracle (1).
justsomeone is clearly asking for details of a design, not repeated claims of success.

If, understandably, you feel a bit paranoid and don't wish to reveal details of your design don't you think it would be wiser to maintain a dignified silence until you can present evidence of a working wheel.

If I believed what you claim to believe and had the skill to build a wheel then I would be getting down to it and not wasting my time (and other forum members) on repeated and, frankly, boastful claims of success.

If you succeed we shall all be delighted. And if you fail - there's no shame in that. We've all been there in one way or another.

[silverfox]

I have a design, but not for a wheel.

In the simplest of terms I could describe it as merely being a "scientific apparatus" capable of demonstrating and displaying some of the constant and inherent qualities of gravity and the known rules that govern them in a continuous fashion.

Bit of a mouthful, I'll grant you, but that's my working hypothesis at the moment.

That is not to say that crude discs couldn't be alligned and mounted or a stationary rim put in place in such a way to make it look just like like a Bessler wheel, but that would only be usefull to defeat the whole purpose and beauty of the exercise and what I genuinely hope to accomplish with it.

Now I should also say that also I consider this to be as much of "work of art" as any artfice in what I hope it can express or the kind of thoughts it will hopefully provoke and stimulate in other people's minds.

When I am satisfied that I have met that criteria as well as I can, I may very well try to have it put it on display as an "orginal kinetic sculpture" that is truly unique, (and in more ways than one), in the most prominent and prestigous gallery I can convince to do that for me.

That way I can safely take all the bows and kudos I want, or simply ignore them without having to turn my life up-side down or have anyone try to impose or intrude on it that I can't tempermentally brush-off any way that I like and simply be seen as being all that much more of a genuine artist for doing...hmmm?

It may be a "one-hit-wonder" but that, of course, is what all art essentially is and what makes it such a very valuable commodity.

So there's a dream machine to add to the growing collection here with a bit of an unusual twist or two in it just for good measure.

Just as crazy as a fox, I'm afraid, but it wouldn't be mine if it wasn't. LMAO

[Grimer]

Sounds like the Finsrud.

[silverfox]

Well Gimer...

Finsrud was apparently trying to create a "floating ashtry" and quite stubbornly refused to be thwarted. Seems things got a little out of hand from there on over a number of years.

A PM device seems almost seems positively "down to earth" compared to that, as ridiculous as it sounds.

I'm afraid no one knows quite what to make of what is simply referred to as "the chaos machine" that he seems to have thrown just about everything but the kitchen sink at somewhere along the line in the heat of that no-holds-barred battle.

Come to think about it, it does look like it might easily be one of those new-fangled and artsy looking sinks for the loo as it does anything else.

Balls of soap constantly rolling around that outer track and some simple plumbing and it would probably make a pretty cool one at that for someone with an ego and a wallet as big as maybe Sir Elton or Sir Paul...hmmm? LOL

I'm afraid I'm looking for something we might consider as being almost "pre-steampunk-punk", than anything quite that surreal.

Something I might be able to shrink down into a trippy and trendy little whirl-a-gig or thing-ma-doodle that just looks so much better and more interesting doing it's thing than that picture of your Mother-in-law does on the mantle or end table...hmmm?

Think of it Grimer, a dust collecter that doesn't collect any dust. How rad and revolutionary can you get?

[Irish Oracle 2]

Irish Oracle 2: You're an idiot

Ok broli, I am.

You have already made this abundantly clear in your previous incarnation as Irish Oracle (1).
justsomeone is clearly asking for details of a design, not repeated claims of success.

Ok Grimer, he did not ask what it was, he asked if anyone had a design like no other. I am saying I have one, 90% finished will be done in a few days. As I already said I will show it, then there can be no dought I have a build and all who see it can flame me all they want but non can say its not real.

If I believed what you claim to believe and had the skill to build a wheel then I would be getting down to it and not wasting my time (and other forum members) on repeated and, frankly, boastful claims of success.

If you succeed we shall all be delighted. And if you fail - there's no shame in that. We've all been there in one way or another.

I have the skill, lol, but not a tool shop. Yes there will be no shame one way or the other.

[justsomeone]

Thanks Irish, I am not asking for someone to give away their design but maybe just a clue as to what makes it different from the norm. Will your design use CF to assist in rotation or mostly gravity? I understand many of us ( ME included ) are holding something back. Thanks for the replies.

[FunWithGravity2]

I'll give it all away, i'm trying the same thing thats been tried thousands of times before. pendulums. Oh wait you wanted something different. Sorry

Dave

[Wubbly]

I once made a 'wheel' where the main mass rotated in a horizontal plane. It was continuously off-balance.
There was a vertical input lever that kept the main mass off-balance, but the torque on the input lever balanced out the torque on the lower, output axel. It was a non-runner.

When trying to build a theoretically impossible machine, one must walk a fine line between reality and 'belief'.

Just because you are 100% sure that your ideas will work doesn't mean that the laws of physics will agree with your belief.

The laws of physics don't care what you 'believe'. They obey their own rules.

[getterdone]

I spent about 2 years building wheels in the shape of the Star of David, with 2 opposing triangles, water in the pipes with off-set axles the biggest was 10 ft tall. They were fun to build but didnt run, when someone discovers Besslers prime mover I think they ll all run

[KHAN2012]

Several theories propose that magnetic monopoles are required to exist, including some of Maxwell's theories of electromagnetics.

Monopolar "energy creating" forces could explain much with regards to the many mysteries of reality.

I found this interesting page that explains why overbalance wheels did not work in the past:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/overbal.htm

This person did an experiment that shows a small antigravity effect generated by a gyroscope:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm ... 4_8_4.html

I plan to share all the knowledge in the future and will visit the local junkyard to purchase old bicycle wheels for experimentation and constructing various wheel designs.