Which Children’s Game Was It?

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Which Children’s Game Was It?

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A survey of what we think was the children's game clue.
If you think it is not one of the games listed,
Please share what you believe it is and why.

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SeeSaw on a drum. No reason!
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Dear Rocky,
You forgot in your poll a big amount of games in particular the outdoor games and the games without toys, per example:
- Doors and Windows (wich can suggest the path of the weights)
- Duck Duck Goose (where an hole is rotating around the circle)
- the tag game where you must stand up on a elevated object (with many strange link with some words of Bessler, the kids jumping over the pillars)
etc...
I cannot imagine why nobody though on this before, including myself? It is so simple!...
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I don't see it as just a single game. Momentum and CF are involved in many games. All ball and marble games make use of inertial momentum. Swinging bats and swinging children make use of inertial momentum. Rolling hoops make use of CF and inertia.

So you see children in the lane play all the time with inertial momentum and its first cousin centrifugal force.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong. But I doubt I'm wrong.


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The hand drawn spinning top on the last page of MT (toys page) is notated.
Bessler wrote:"Children's game in which there is something extraordinary for anyone who knows how to apply the game in a different way."

Interestingly, Diabolo was introduced to Europe by 1700:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabolo
The diabolo (commonly misspelled as diablo; formerly also known as "the devil on two sticks")...
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So...how can we apply this spinning top in a different way?

EDIT: Maybe something like this? (just kiddin')
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Dear rocky and ruggerodk,
A first possible application is to use some special weights, consisting in two circular weights linked at their center by a small soldered axle (see the detail area on the drawing).
BTW by rolling the twin assembly on this small axle the rotational speed will be increased slowly but regularly, giving a high amount of energy to the assembly.Now at the end of the race the straight rod disappears and the outer side of the diabolo is engaged tangentially into a belt. The accumulated energy of the flywheel is restituted by the friction and the diabolo climbs up along the belt or along the inner rim of the wheel.
The drawing below shows this concept.
The question is: can the diabolo be lifted-up higher than the starting elevation? Did anybody made the experiment?

Another way to implement the 'diabolo' principle, is to include a ratchet inside the diabolo's axle, like explained inside this old post:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?id=6295
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Hi Path_Finder

I believe it has similarities to the Abeling...even your design use the velocity of the rolling 'yo-yo-weight' on the ascent I'm not sure it will be enough.

I do like your weight4.png design much better ;-)
To bring this further I think you should try to design the inner part of the hollow roller-weight with a spring - going all the way through from one end to the other.
I'm sure you know how to make the mechanics to do that.

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