KE PE and torque effect?

[raj]

My Dear Agor95,

I am not quite getting your concept.

But torque driven wheel, I believe, could work, if only positions of weights can be forcefully manipulated to produce gravitational torque.

Keep it up.

Raj

[Sam Peppiatt]

raj,

The two weights should be connected together on a slider, so that when the weight on the left moves in, the weight on the right moves out. This is the best way to OB a wheel. Because,as the MA of the weight on the down side is increased ,the MA of the weight on the up side is decreased. So yes, the torque on the down side is more.This is what Bessler meant by saying the weights worked in pairs, also this is the so called cross bar(s). (IMO)

And you only need two slides, one 90 degrees to the other. The big problem is, HOW, to reset the sliders after they rotate 180 degrees!

Maybe you can solve it--------------I haven't, at least not yet, Sam Peppiatt

Live Your Days Inspired Anew, LIDYA

[Sam Peppiatt]

@all,
Bessler seams to be describing a slider or sliders, (please correct me if I'm wrong). "These,(weights), come in pairs, such that as one of them takes up an outer position, the other takes up a position nearer the axle, later they swap places, and so they go on changing places all the time".

If the sliders could be repeatedly reset, the wheel would turn. I know cams won't work. How about a couple of James Lindgrad's levers, (with weights), to reset the sliders?

Please don't ask me how, Sam Peppiatt

Live Your Days Inspired Anew, LYDIA

[ME]

Attached is an example what happens to the Center of Mass (green is total) when things slide radially out.

[raj]

After more than 30 years of trying, on and off, I can now announce that I can forcefully manipulate the path of swinging weights in a wheel to produce continuous gravitational torque for self-rotation, while almost staying balanced as per Jim Mich's suggestions on Community Buzz thread - ' Staying Balanced'.

Raj

[raj]

After all, my search on this topic is not that farfetched.
Bessler seemed to have tried it with "RAMPS".

Raj

[sleepy]

I've tried all sorts of ramps over the last 30 years and always the same results.A ramp on the ascending side produces too much friction and counter force and stops the wheel.A ramp on the descending side absorbs and supports the weights which are supposed to be driving the wheel and the wheel stops.

[raj]

Sleepy,
Let's have your' opinion on this one:

1 is a drum wheel with two vertical compartments.
2 is/are broken axle/s.
3 are four identical semi-circular pendulums pivoting separately on broken
axles, two in separate compartments.
4 are cylindrical weights connected to rim of 1 at 45 degrees intervals
attached by strings 5.
5 are identical strings.

Raj

[sleepy]

Hello again Raj,
Another complex and inventive design! Firstly,I see the same old problems with all ramp designs.Friction plus the extra force on the string as the wheel tries to drag it up the ramp will IMO stop the wheel.
Secondly,and maybe more important,is the fact that you are asking only 1 weight in the "drive" position to move 3 weights on the ascending side.I bet that if you could find a way to measure the force of the drive weight,it would exactly equal the counter-force of the three weights it's trying to lift.
As always,thanks so much for sharing openly.You should be an inspiration to us all.

[agor95]

Hi Sam

Thank you for clarification of the concept.

[agor95]

Hi Sleepy

I appreciate the problem with ramps - external ramps.

Regards

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Agor95!!

I have learned a little bit more------------------

The lifters / levers, mounted close to the center, are at about 2 to one up ratio, and they have to be advanced 45 degrees, to the sliders (for timing), which means the bell cranks also have to be at 45 degrees, not 90. Stroke 3.5 inches. However still not there yet.

Does it make any sense? Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Aror95,

I should add, as the sliders are double acting, it follows that the bell cranks should also be double acting. Sam

[agor95]

Hi Sam

It is good to see you are energised on this quest.

Some members visualize really well from text descriptions.

Others use illustrations. I recon most members know what which works for me.

Thumbs up for the sliders. Bell cranks could be call something else in the UK.

However we do have google and I now know what one is for.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Agor95,

Sorry, don't know how to draw. No way of knowing if any of it is right.

But how else are you going to do it? Sam