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Pistons power wheel.
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This is what happens when you let it go from the initial position...
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Thanks jonnynet for taking the time to simulate for raj.
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Pistons power increased...

Jonnynet, you are an awfully nice guy.

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Some further simulation of the increased version, this time as a non listed video, for better image quality and to save server space.

https://youtu.be/31s3fulomoc
https://youtu.be/dGt8rohcnm0

It could be a bi-directional wheel and there's some nice swinging action here.
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The inner wheel is on a fix axle geared with inner rim of large wheel, and rotates at twice speed of large wheel.

Side view of wheel drawing shows just one pair of pistons on one vertical plain inside wheel.

It is so nice of you to do a simulation by just looking at my drawing.
Thank a lot.

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jonnynet wrote:Some further simulation of the increased version, this time as a non listed video, for better image quality and to save server space.

https://youtu.be/31s3fulomoc
https://youtu.be/dGt8rohcnm0

It could be a bi-directional wheel and there's some nice swinging action here.
Excellent work Jonneynet .

They are the most "realistic " simulations I think I have seen .

Good going ! : )
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I see your initial starting positions of your pistons in your simulation is like in this drawing.

WHICH means that your starting position is balanced and needed a push to get the wheel moving and eventually stopped reaching the balanced position again.

Now look again at my drawings, the starting position is different, already in a torque providing position and this does not look like ever reaching a balanced positions of the pistons.

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Hi Raj, counter torque ,it dont matter what you do, every reaction has a equal and opposite reaction and your weight is under the axis going the wrong way ,i like the approach though shows true commitment to figuring it out ,thanks for sharing Raj good luck Andy
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What IF!
What IF?
What if it works?
It won’t do anybody harm.
It will simply prove that the saying� Every action has an equal and opposite Reaction� WRONG.

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raj wrote:The inner wheel is on a fix axle geared with inner rim of large wheel, and rotates at twice speed of large wheel [...] Raj
I already did a simulation with the inner wheel fixed but the result was worse. If you prevent the system from swinging this way, torque production is canceled. Experience showed that an additional pivot point for the wheel isn't a good idea. Probably you still want me to show this in another video...
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raj wrote:It will simply prove that the saying� Every action has an equal and opposite Reaction� WRONG.
Newton was a poet.

There's this other brilliant saying: Everything that moves keeps moving, unless forced to move somewhere else.
raj wrote:It won’t do anybody harm.
Downplaying Newton with an unsubstantiated "what-if" does.

A flywheel performs so much better.
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https://youtu.be/lyfsD3XDdN8

This is a simulation video where the inner gear can vertically move but is horizontally locked. Surprisingly I got an unexpected result: the wheel is, in the simulation, able to work under certain conditions. Watch till end because there I lift the gear and re-position it, while the piston's positions changes. Finally it has continuous torque but would it work in the real world?
There's more to test.
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The arrow indicates that the inner gear isn't fixed vertically, some of the dynamics are kept.
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Jonnynet, keep this video as a souvenir.

You have provided some initial proof that OUR Wheel concept WOULD work.

You started the video with the pistons in the same starting position as in all your previous simulations.

Half way through the video, when you lifted the inner wheel and reposition it, the pistons took the positions as it should be in my CONCEPT drawing, and began to rotate clockwise as it should.

Even when you tried to force it to turn counter-clockwise, the wheel continued to turn clockwise, because by design, the wheel is unidirectional clockwise.

Jonnynet, thank you a million times. Your help is God sent to me.

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Tomorrow I'll do another simulation because I noticed not to have a perfect 1:2 ratio, which was due to building circumstances making the gears. Will correct that and try with only a single pair of pistons. Should be possible to verify the potantial of this concept and exclude simulation faults.
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