An intricate systm of strings and weights!

[raj]

Just an intricate system of strings and weights gravity wheel to ponder over.

Raj

[Aman]

First of Hi after long time,
The idea of increasing downward weight Torque from right and decreasing downward weight torque on left is great.It uses principle of increasing the distance of application for a force F at right of the wheel from a distance D from pivot of wheel.

The biggest flaw I have seen in many such designs,also in your earlier design is more no. of heavy balls on left side than on right side considering that wheel should rotate Clockwise.

Let say I have a higher torque on a heavy ball right of the wheel(Force * displacement) and lower torque on left on wheel on a heavy ball but of no. of balls on left is very large compared to that on right side,the amount of opposite torque from left to right will be same as /equal to torque applied from right of wheel to the left of the wheel.In order that wheel should rotate the net effective torque on all balls on right should be much much greater than net effective torque on left side and for this,you need to ensure two things:
1) a)Higher torque on right side downwards due to weight of a ball and it's position in wheel
b)comparatively much much lower torque downwards due to weight of a ball in wheel.
2) Much much more no. of these Heavy balls on right than on left.

If any body makes such a Bessler wheel inspired design,I gaurantee you,that the wheel will work.This is challenging but I am very sure that you can do it ,if thought about.

In most gravity wheel designs I have seen,heavy balls are used and manupulating torque technique is used,whether they run or not.

I have putted my idea in more simpler manner.Please visit my new thread,
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5266

[raj]

Hello Aman!
I have to say a big thank you.

You have reminded me of something that I always thought was important in a torque driven gravity wheel.

All my gravity wheel designs are meant to be torque driven, concentrating on continuous unidirectional net torque.

In designing these torque driven gravity wheels, I have found most of them, had more weights on the ascending side and nearer to the axles than on the descending, further from the axles.

But after reading your reply this evening, I concentrated on the points you made and BINGO, only a few minutes later, I found my FINAL ANSWER in my very first redesigning of weights positions on the wheels.

'' More Torque, more weights, more or equal distances from the axle on the descending side than on the ascending side''.

For the first time in my life, I FEEL I HAVE FOUND THE GRAVITY WHEEL, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR SO LONG.

Raj

[Aman]

Thanks a lot.
All the best.I believe,you can do it.
I am very happy to hear this!
Please see my new thread,
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5266

I wanted to know something related to patent.
Although my college should help me further in processing my patent.However I would like to know any important things if necesary to know myself.You can also email me on amansanat@gmail.com
Although I can get some details on Indian patent website,because of very poor governance of Indian patent office and standards,I would like to know anything that is important to know for an international patent.

[raj]

Aman!

Google '' UK IPO Patent Application online''. Re WEB filing.

You will learn everything about patent application in UK, from anywhere in the world. It's really easy.

Remember, once you make your patent application, (free of charge), you will be protected as patent pending for one year, until you will have 12 months time to pay your patent application fee £230 in two instalments.

Raj

[Aman]

Will this be internationally valid or valid only in UK?
I heard that national patent application is different from International patent application depending on Different conventions like Brene convention.

Thanks a lot,I will see your suggestion on google.

[raj]

A bombshell wheel design coming here in a few days.

Raj

[raj]

For the past six months, I have repeatedly said that my Desktop Swinging Weights Toy Wheel is my LAST WHEEL concept ever.

And For this last six months, I am spending my time trying to find the easiest way to a concept testing build.

In so doing, I have made several small changes to my DSWTW concept, with a view to making the concept testing build easier.

Yesterday morning I woke up with what I would call A GOD given brainwave, showing me the simplest of simple concept change to my DSWTW concept.

SO HERE IT IS:

Now, what we have:
1. A vertical flywheel/drumwheel(5) of 8 units radius, on horizontal broken axle(6).

2. Four weights(7), each swinging on two pairs of identical strings(8) of 10 units length, pivoting on two pairs of diametrically opposite pivot points on rim of wheel(5) at 22.5 degrees intervals, in separate vertical compartents of drumwheel.

3. Weights(7)will swing/hang only on strings(8) on a SINGLE wheel(5) rotating on a thinnest/narrowest axle(6), moving nearer to the axle on the ascending side and further away from axle on the descending side, providing angular momentum and torque for flywheel/drumwheel(5) to rotate.

For what this finally worth!!!

Raj

[Wubbly]

If the radius is 8 units, and the string length is 10 units, the geometry would look like this on a horizontal surface.

[raj]

Thank you, Wubbly.
Unfortunarely, I do not have WM2D , and I cannot open your gif file.

My drawings are slightly misleading.

The strings seem to be fully stretched.

No.

One weight is connected to four identical strings of 10 units length, at four pivot points on rim of wheel, diametrically opposite at 22.5 degrees interval between first and second pivot points, 157,5 degrees interval between second and third pivot point, 22.5 degrees interval between third and fourth pivot points and 157.5 degrees interval between fourth and first pivot points.

In this connection arrangement, each weight will hang/swing at any given time on two fully stretched strings and two slack strings.

Raj

[ME]

@ Marchello,
I am looking forward to post here on this forum, after I have safeguarded my new concept prioriyy date. drawing and full description of the simplest wheel concept to be posted here and I am inviting you and all forum members with simulation facilities to simulate, if you care or dare, this new concept, as joint partners in this concept endeavour.

I do not worry to have to continue on this concept on my own.

Raj

Here an almost 5000 days old simulation with three strings:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?id=1442

[raj]

Thank you, Marchello.

Unfortunately, I see NO comparison between your gif drawing with my concept.

My weights DO NOT swing IN and OUT of the wheel.

Each of my weight hang/swing on FOUR identical strings.

Each of the weight in your gif drawing hang/swing on only TWO strings.


Raj

[ME]

Make the wheel bigger, add more strings and shorten them...

[raj]

Is that an advice or mockery???

Raj

[MrTim]

I believe what you are trying to do there is raise (or change) the center of gravity via attachments to the periphery of the wheel. It's actually a great idea (similar to one I tried myself long ago, different type mechanism, though), as raising the CoG does create an imbalance. Another variation you might want to experiment with is a weight ring that surrounds the wheel axis (instead of lots of individual weights), attached the same way. The biggest problem you'd need to overcome is to decrease slack in the upper portion (ie shorten the connectors), and increase the slack in the lower & ascending half (ie making it so that the weight ring is suspended from the upper half.)
At the moment, I'm working on a different breakthrough I've made, but may return to that intriguing idea above that you made me remember... ;-)