Weights???

[raj]

I am beginning to think that there is probably something special about the weights used by Bessler.

Has there been any discussion about weights before?

Do you think that some type of weights could make a difference to the motion of the wheel?

Raj

[Grimer]

These might. ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4augpfCb9E

[raj]

Thanks Grimer.

That's certainly a load of weights. I bet you've used them. Pray, share your experience of your head spinning weights.

[Grimer]

Sorry Raj - I couldn't resist it. On my way home from school in the war we used to buy packs of 5. Can't say I enjoyed smoking. I gave up at the age of 13 and haven't ever smoked since.

[AB Hammer]

Bessler showed a cylindrical weight with the end covered by a cloth.


Alan

[preoccupied]

AB_Hammer maybe that was a tube

[raj]

As reported, they were cylindical.

Could these cylindrical weights themselves have asymmetric COM?

If yes, could these asymmetric weights make a difference to their rolling/swinging motion inside the wheel?

Raj

[triplock]

Certainly , IMO, the cylindrical weight ends were important , and Bessler knew this.

Once the end arrangement was known, you could have reverse engineered the rest of the mechanism. Unfortunately, as we are none the wiser, the cylinders could have attachment eyelets , been bored all the way through do as to allow sliding along a shaft, or a pulley, or spring attachment.

Or it could have just been a clean end as a double bluff ?

It is just one of those mysteries that will remain unanswered sadly.

I , of course, have my own pet theory, but as with all clues and witness statements we all tend to shoe horn them in to match our own ideas !

[raj]

That's true Chris!

Bessler's Wheel is recorded as having existed.

So any new idea we get, we immediately want to know if this new idea of ours is in any where part of Bessler's multitude of clues.

Even though, we can argue that not all Bessler's clues could be right.

Raj

[Andyb]

Raj ,i agree with Triplock with regard to the tubes that bessler presented were too contain the weights in to a slot a framework of sorts, as i was informed from information in this sight, that the weights were tubes not solid, in my mind this allows for the weight to be positioned on these tubes and they can be secured into my slot design ,as triplock says we find a way to make them fit ,however i also believe that these tubes are a vital clue,in my mind they are not weights they are simply to light, all the best dude.imo of course

[raj]

I have been thinking very hard in the last few days about using weights, with each weight changing its COM continuously throughout 360 degrees rotation of wheel.

I BELIEVE I have found a way to make each weight change its COM as the wheel rotates.

Raj

[Tarsier79]

Bessler stated the weights were the PM device. He also stated he found the solution where everyone else looked, and that organ building was important.

I think the weights themselves were more than just pierced, and that they contained a mechanism, and possibly a reversible process using a gas, with bellows as pistons. I believe he made the link between something he observed in alchemy to some chemical+physical process to drive mass into an OB position.

Alternately, I could just be a loony.

[raj]

Dear Tarsier79,
I have great respect for your views, posted on my threads.

What I am thinking of looks much simpler OR it may be I am just seeing a mirage.

Raj

[path_finder]

Dear Raj,
remember this topic: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 2674#82674

[raj]

Here we have:
1. a drum wheel(1) on axle(2) half full of water to water level line(8)
2. Inner larger wheel(3) on axle(4) and smaller wheel(5) on axle(6), of different mass but same thickness, connnected together by bar(7) and submerged in water.
3. Point(9) shows the COM of the connected inner wheels(3,5), directly below axle(2) of drum wheel(1).
4. Drum wheel(1), wheel(3) and wheel(5) have diameters in the ratio of 8:3:1

You will agree with me:
1. If we ignore the water inside drum wheel(1), the wheels will be in a keel position, bexause the COM of wheel(3) and wheel(5) is directly below axle(2).
2. that Wheel(3) occupies more space in the counter-clockwise lower quadrant of drum wheel(1) than wheel(5) occupies in the clockwise lower quadrant.
3. Volume of water in the lower clockwise quadrant of drum wheel(1) will be greater than the volume of water in the lower counter-clockwise quadrant.
4. Therefore volume of water in the lower clockwise quadrant of drum wheel(1) will UNBALANCE wheel by providing more torque clockwise.

What could happen next???

Raj