Polygonal Hub Wheel on Circular Axle...
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Polygonal Hub Wheel on Circular Axle...
A cylindrical wheel(1) on octagonal hub(2) resting/swinging/rolling on slightly smaller diameter circular hub(4) of H-shaped flywheel(3) on single axle(5), after an initial push given, impacting flywheel(3) every 45 degrees turn, on
the ascending side, providing angular momentum and thereby torque for further rotation.
Raj
the ascending side, providing angular momentum and thereby torque for further rotation.
Raj
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Mt 137 has still a clue to follow.
Raj
Raj
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This is ONLY part of a wheel concept, showing partial motion of wheels.
This is going to become part of my previous wheel concept.
Raj
This is going to become part of my previous wheel concept.
Raj
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This wheels concept rely only on wheels to function:
1. shows a cylindrical wheel with a cylindrical circular hub on fix to its axle (in blue ink)
2/3. show a cylindrical wheel with a hollow septagonal inner rim (in black ink)
4. shows a cylindrical disk of same diameter of cylindrical hub in 1 (in red ink)
5/6 show how wheels are assembled:
5. shows cylindrical wheel with hollow septagonal hub (in black) resting in a stable equilibrium position on cylindrical circular hub ( in blue) of wheel 1 AND cylindrical disk (in red) rest in an unstable equilibrium position on septagonal hub (in black)
6. shows cylindrical wheel with hollow septagonal hub(in black) resting in an unstable equilibrium position on cylindrical hub (in blue) of wheel 1 AND cylindrical disk (in red ) rest in a stable equilibrium position on septagonal hub (in blak).
The central idea here is, if at the start position in 5 a slight push/pull is given, everything will rotate towards the descending side and cylindrical disk 4 will impact the septagonal hub about the 5 o'clock position and reach its stable equilibrium position and at this same time, septagonal hub will reach its unstable equilibrium position and rotating further will. in turn, impact on cylindrical hub(in blue) of wheel 1.
I hope that you can follow my explanation based on my drawings.
Raj
1. shows a cylindrical wheel with a cylindrical circular hub on fix to its axle (in blue ink)
2/3. show a cylindrical wheel with a hollow septagonal inner rim (in black ink)
4. shows a cylindrical disk of same diameter of cylindrical hub in 1 (in red ink)
5/6 show how wheels are assembled:
5. shows cylindrical wheel with hollow septagonal hub (in black) resting in a stable equilibrium position on cylindrical circular hub ( in blue) of wheel 1 AND cylindrical disk (in red) rest in an unstable equilibrium position on septagonal hub (in black)
6. shows cylindrical wheel with hollow septagonal hub(in black) resting in an unstable equilibrium position on cylindrical hub (in blue) of wheel 1 AND cylindrical disk (in red ) rest in a stable equilibrium position on septagonal hub (in blak).
The central idea here is, if at the start position in 5 a slight push/pull is given, everything will rotate towards the descending side and cylindrical disk 4 will impact the septagonal hub about the 5 o'clock position and reach its stable equilibrium position and at this same time, septagonal hub will reach its unstable equilibrium position and rotating further will. in turn, impact on cylindrical hub(in blue) of wheel 1.
I hope that you can follow my explanation based on my drawings.
Raj
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Raj
I see where you are coming from with Mt 137 has still a clue to follow.
I always looked at it as the weight is to go under the axle to the descending side and still have designs that deal with that approach but have put them to the side.
You using the ring in an octagon that the MT137 shows in the middle would show an interesting tumble. Maybe add some swing weights to help the motion and see what happens.
I see where you are coming from with Mt 137 has still a clue to follow.
I always looked at it as the weight is to go under the axle to the descending side and still have designs that deal with that approach but have put them to the side.
You using the ring in an octagon that the MT137 shows in the middle would show an interesting tumble. Maybe add some swing weights to help the motion and see what happens.
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Hi Raj,
the octagon or your septacon is a good way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5aAFY0YByY
In a wheel it will produce a ground swinging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFkVf8uIRfQ
What I have found, that I can set this construction under stress by a
x-cross.
The distance from the middle axis of the Hamster cage to the tumbling
octagon will cause a permanent imballance.
The tumbling octagon is presenting the top Heavy weight.
See how I think it can be managed.
the octagon or your septacon is a good way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5aAFY0YByY
In a wheel it will produce a ground swinging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFkVf8uIRfQ
What I have found, that I can set this construction under stress by a
x-cross.
The distance from the middle axis of the Hamster cage to the tumbling
octagon will cause a permanent imballance.
The tumbling octagon is presenting the top Heavy weight.
See how I think it can be managed.
Best regards
Georg
Georg
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Thanks Alan and Georg.
The septagonal hub provides two stable and unstable falling motions.
I hope there is something with this idea of two little falls are helping each other to keep falling and rising, in TURN.
After all this just an idea of mine.
Raj
The septagonal hub provides two stable and unstable falling motions.
I hope there is something with this idea of two little falls are helping each other to keep falling and rising, in TURN.
After all this just an idea of mine.
Raj
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Hi Raj,
In my opinion it is a runner !! Maybe others think different of your concept, but I tell you it is a runner. Congratulation, not Bessler, your own creation, but you use Besslers Principle now. Well done.
In my opinion it is a runner !! Maybe others think different of your concept, but I tell you it is a runner. Congratulation, not Bessler, your own creation, but you use Besslers Principle now. Well done.
Best regards
Georg
Georg
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My dear Georg!
Thank you for your encouragement.
My biggest problem with all of my wheel concepts I come across, I have no means to present Proof of Concept, Neither through using PHYSICS arguments nor through Physical prototype.
Raj
Thank you for your encouragement.
My biggest problem with all of my wheel concepts I come across, I have no means to present Proof of Concept, Neither through using PHYSICS arguments nor through Physical prototype.
Raj
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Picture(1) shows shows the larger wheel(1) with two smaller inner wheel fix to axle.
Picture(2) shows the wheel with septagonal hub, resting/rolling on the two smaller inner wheels.
Picture(3) shows the (third) smaller wheel, resting/rolling on inside septagonal hub.
Pictiue(4) shows the Septagonal hub resting/rolling on the two smaller inner wheel on axle and (third) smaller wheel resting/rolling on inside septagonal wheel.
Picture(5) shows the wheels fully assembled.
Raj
Picture(2) shows the wheel with septagonal hub, resting/rolling on the two smaller inner wheels.
Picture(3) shows the (third) smaller wheel, resting/rolling on inside septagonal hub.
Pictiue(4) shows the Septagonal hub resting/rolling on the two smaller inner wheel on axle and (third) smaller wheel resting/rolling on inside septagonal wheel.
Picture(5) shows the wheels fully assembled.
Raj
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Hi Raj,
set the System under stress, have a look to the location of the springs.
You have a free middle axle, from there to any other postion the springs are compressed and released, look at the distance.
A great Progress in your built !!
My model builder was in vacation, but I think this week he will also complete the Wheel.
set the System under stress, have a look to the location of the springs.
You have a free middle axle, from there to any other postion the springs are compressed and released, look at the distance.
A great Progress in your built !!
My model builder was in vacation, but I think this week he will also complete the Wheel.
Best regards
Georg
Georg
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My current Polygonal Hub Wheel concept, with all indications that I have had so far, make me believe that it's going to be a runner, as it is, without any springs, levers, weights or anything else.
Raj
Raj
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