design claimed to be working

[epistemologicide]

this is claimed to be working from an englishman from a yahoo energy group.


cant tell. i have been very busy, and will have an over unity project finished in 3 weeks, (third time lucky :D) and will commence work on georgs projects.

the guy writes

'The secret is to get the centre of gravity from circumference of the wheel
to the centre, this is only done by utilising the shape as in the GOLDEN
SECTION,'

-end quote.

he is very paranoid. if you read his posts too.

[epistemologicide]

jonathan, is the goldern mean in that drawing?
i bet its there some where...

[Joel Wright]

Hi epis This is a reply I posted to your inquest whether my swinging pendulm pentagram design was influenced by the occult .It was'nt just for the record,it is just a mechanical attemp at experimenting.....For more on the golden mean ,search google PENTAGRAMS..................Hi epis Is this what your referring to as the pentagram being Satanic?...........................................................................................................For example, Wiccans are particularly fond of drawing upon the Earth a five-pointed star. This is, of course, a reference to Sacred Geometry, with .....................................( note ) more about the ,,,,,,,,,,golden mean ,,,,,,,,,,,,can be found by researching pentagrams on google search ...................pentagons and five-pointed stars being the essence of the Golden Mean. The five-pointed star is thus sacred as well as potentially functional, undoubtedly possesses extraordinary (albeit subtle) powers, and is well represented in the proliferation of stars upon national flags (United States, Texas, and a host of other countries), as well as Corporate logos (such as Texaco). [Didn’t know that Texaco was into Wicca, did you?]

[epistemologicide]

hi joel, yes i remember that one.

this is what i meant though mate :D 1.618

[Jonathan]

I can tell where it's supposed to be (apparently my drawing elsewhere is wrong, I don't remember him saying where the ramp takes the weights), but he either hasn't drawn it correctly, or it not supposed to be a golden spiral for the entire length of the ramp. It looks as if it is straight until 105 degrees, and then it is intended to spiral.
I think he's either nutty or a fraud.

[PIMAN]

I wouldn't dismiss as a fraud, just yet. After all, the inventor has not tried to gain anything that I know of. He has not expressed any secretive attitude, nor played 20 questions (also known as feeding the ducks). On the Yahoo group, he cleary states that he is not a drafter and that this sketch is just that, a quick sketch. Not to scale and not detailed, but a simple sketch of the mechanisms. He boldy affirms that he has a working model which he will video, photograph, and display publicly following completion of a house move/unpack. He did say previously that he would reveal the secret (golden mean) and design sketch, which he has followed through on. I am beyond interested, but nowhere near giddy. As for whether or not he is nutty.... dare we call the kettle black, knowing not if it be full of fish or gold?

[ken_behrendt]

I have studied the sketch under magnification and can not tell how the weights (rolling balls?) are supposed to move from the center to the ends of the spiral arms.

However, in general, there have been many, many similar designs over the centuries and they do NOT work...I do not expect this one to be any different despite the talk about golden ratios and pentagrams!

ken_behrendt

[epistemologicide]

i guess i should get the author to come in here so i dont need to keep cross posting.

here is the latest a question whcih was asked.

What you want to say with 105 degree?
Are there 2 x 12 Golden sections springs or one?

the answer

there is only one gs spring .it is the one i call the Collector all others are guides and may be altered to a degree if desired but only slightly.the little springs in the niddle of wheel are a pain and depending on the steel can be a complete prat to make as i found out ""LOL
spring steel varies country to country,little hint !! the COLLECTOR was manufactured from a car spring ! this we did three times till we were happy, our problem was we had to build a forge first before we could do it , we used an old oil drum cut in half and filled with fire brick and used an old cylinder cleaner as a blower , heath robonson yes but it worked

[epistemologicide]

PIMAN

and who was the first here to say besslers wheel has the goldern mean in it some where.

i am elite :D we will see we will see hahah

[ovyyus]

Hi Epi, this guy claims to have actually built this? He says it works?

Has he posted photo's of his construction? Has he posted details such as size, RPM, etc? What evidence is there that he has actually built a working wheel? Thanks.

[epistemologicide]

hi mate

he is over at the energy2000 yahoo groups, i have asked him to come in here and explain. all the signs point to all good so far. but we all know what that has told us in the past.

shouldent be much longer i asked him to come in here and explain, as far as i know yes, its meant to have been built and working.

[PIMAN]

Epi- There is no doubt that the golden section is de ja vous.

The Yahoo group is Energy2000 if anyone wants to follow the thread for further developments. I have been checking and the inventor is responsive to questions. I will continue to check back for updates.

Ovyyus- He claims to have a real running wheel. He said "This is NOT BULLSHIT". He does not want money, and says this is "Not just a theory".


I will lend my attention, for now.


PIMAN

[jim_mich]

Can one of you give me a post number over at energy2000 so I can pick up which thread it is on?
Thanks in advance.

[epistemologicide]

jim its on the last page

[PIMAN]

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