Pendulums Wheel
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Pendulums Wheel
1. Wheel 8 units diameter.
2. Inner rim of wheel 6 units diameter.
3. Axle.
4. Pendulum 10 units long to center of bob swinging/pivoting at 12 o'clock position on outer rim of wheel.
5. Bob of 4 3 units diameter
6. Identical pendulum 10 units long to center of bob swinging/pivoting at 6 o'clock position on outer rim of wheel.
7. Bob of 6 3 units diameter.
Pendulum4 is swinging counter-clockwise with bob5 pressing on bob7, applying torque/force on pendulum6, which is already swinging clockwise, to further turn clockwise, forcing bob7 to apply both pendulums forces/torques on inner rim2 at about the 3 o'clock position to turn wheel clockwise for 180 degrees when the pendulums change places reverse their swinging motions every half turns of wheel.
2. Inner rim of wheel 6 units diameter.
3. Axle.
4. Pendulum 10 units long to center of bob swinging/pivoting at 12 o'clock position on outer rim of wheel.
5. Bob of 4 3 units diameter
6. Identical pendulum 10 units long to center of bob swinging/pivoting at 6 o'clock position on outer rim of wheel.
7. Bob of 6 3 units diameter.
Pendulum4 is swinging counter-clockwise with bob5 pressing on bob7, applying torque/force on pendulum6, which is already swinging clockwise, to further turn clockwise, forcing bob7 to apply both pendulums forces/torques on inner rim2 at about the 3 o'clock position to turn wheel clockwise for 180 degrees when the pendulums change places reverse their swinging motions every half turns of wheel.
Last edited by raj on Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Don't wrack your brain over this.
It's too simple to understand.
It's too simple to understand.
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I like your idea Raj, but I would make the pendulums closer to the same length as the radius of the wheel.
One weight could be shifted from the side to near the center and the other from near the center to the side, which would cause one side of the wheel to always be heavy. The torque produced at the pivot points of the pendulums could either produce a positive or a negative impulse on the rotation of the wheel. If they both shifted positions at the same time, the weight moving outward towards the rim would be traveling in the direction of centrifugal force but the weight moving inward would be moving against the direction of centrifugal force. Consequently, the weight traveling inward would produce a greater torque reaction at the pivot point. If heavy prime mover weights were situated near the center of rotation of the wheel, they wouldn't have to travel very far to force the lighter pendulum weights to rotate 45 degrees back and forth on their axis.
I'm curious to know, would a heavy, falling prime mover weight be powerful enough to overcome centrifugal force and retract a pendulum weight from the rim of the wheel to a location near the center of rotation? Could 1 pendulum weight lift a 4 times heavier prime mover weight if the diameter of the wheel and the size of the weights were correctly proportioned to each other? Is the excess weight ratio of 4 to 1 correct or was Bessler only using that ratio to describe his excess weight principle? Would springs assist the weights to move fast enough to keep pace with the rotation of the wheel?
One weight could be shifted from the side to near the center and the other from near the center to the side, which would cause one side of the wheel to always be heavy. The torque produced at the pivot points of the pendulums could either produce a positive or a negative impulse on the rotation of the wheel. If they both shifted positions at the same time, the weight moving outward towards the rim would be traveling in the direction of centrifugal force but the weight moving inward would be moving against the direction of centrifugal force. Consequently, the weight traveling inward would produce a greater torque reaction at the pivot point. If heavy prime mover weights were situated near the center of rotation of the wheel, they wouldn't have to travel very far to force the lighter pendulum weights to rotate 45 degrees back and forth on their axis.
I'm curious to know, would a heavy, falling prime mover weight be powerful enough to overcome centrifugal force and retract a pendulum weight from the rim of the wheel to a location near the center of rotation? Could 1 pendulum weight lift a 4 times heavier prime mover weight if the diameter of the wheel and the size of the weights were correctly proportioned to each other? Is the excess weight ratio of 4 to 1 correct or was Bessler only using that ratio to describe his excess weight principle? Would springs assist the weights to move fast enough to keep pace with the rotation of the wheel?
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This is my first ever self rotating wheel concept using pendulums applying contact force continuously clockwise for wheel rotation.
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Turn your image just over 90 degrees.
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I have turned it 360 degrees several times already, and found the bob on the clockwise side applying contact force on the inner rim of the wheel and the bob on the counter-clockwise side applying contact force on the bob on the clockwise side, thereby doubling the contact force on the inner rim of the wheel, as the pendulums changing their positions in the wheel every 180 degrees turn of wheel.
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Hi Raj, interesting concept !
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1. Wheel - 8 units radius.
2. Inner rim of wheel - 3 units radius.
3. Axle of wheel.
4. Pendulums - length 7 units pivoting at 45 degrees interval on outer rim of wheel.
5. Bobs of pendulums connected at 45 degrees on inner of wheel.
ARROWS pointing directions of pendulums bobs, showing ALL pendulums bobs applying clockwise torque for wheel rotation clockwise.
Can you see MT137 and MT138 in this drawing.
Raj
2. Inner rim of wheel - 3 units radius.
3. Axle of wheel.
4. Pendulums - length 7 units pivoting at 45 degrees interval on outer rim of wheel.
5. Bobs of pendulums connected at 45 degrees on inner of wheel.
ARROWS pointing directions of pendulums bobs, showing ALL pendulums bobs applying clockwise torque for wheel rotation clockwise.
Can you see MT137 and MT138 in this drawing.
Raj
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I do understand that this is beyond explanation to require any more clarification.
Silence is golden, but my eyes can see.
I am not doing this for money, but for fun and maybe, a bit of recognition, should there be anything worthwhile in my proposals.
I am treating my wheel search as my "KARMA" to my dying day.
Raj
Silence is golden, but my eyes can see.
I am not doing this for money, but for fun and maybe, a bit of recognition, should there be anything worthwhile in my proposals.
I am treating my wheel search as my "KARMA" to my dying day.
Raj
Keep learning till the end.
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Raj, the weights are felt where they are. If they don't move, neither does their influence. Change all your arrows to point down.
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Pendulums here, pendulum there, pendulums everywhere...
Reminds me of 1965 when I arrived as a 19 years old in England on a snow filled Xmas night to the tune of: England swing like a pendulum do...
1 is a wheel 7 units radius.
2 is inner rim of 1, 1 unit radius.
3 is axle of 1.
4/5 are lever/pendulums : 4 lever 3 units long/ 5 pendulums and bobs 6.5 units long.
6 are levers pivots connected to lever4 on one ends and to rim2 pivots at 12 o'clock position , keeping wheel in balanced state.
ONCE the wheel is given a push/pull in any direction, for 180 degrees, one pendulum bob will fall and one will rise .
Reminds me of 1965 when I arrived as a 19 years old in England on a snow filled Xmas night to the tune of: England swing like a pendulum do...
1 is a wheel 7 units radius.
2 is inner rim of 1, 1 unit radius.
3 is axle of 1.
4/5 are lever/pendulums : 4 lever 3 units long/ 5 pendulums and bobs 6.5 units long.
6 are levers pivots connected to lever4 on one ends and to rim2 pivots at 12 o'clock position , keeping wheel in balanced state.
ONCE the wheel is given a push/pull in any direction, for 180 degrees, one pendulum bob will fall and one will rise .
Keep learning till the end.
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Thanks for reminding me of that song, Raj. I haven't heard that song since elementary school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I7yAC1Pz6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I7yAC1Pz6Y
"...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of Nature."
Nikola Tesla
Nikola Tesla