I enjoyed this

[Senax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsgoLc_fzI

I wonder if it has any relevance to the Wheel.

[Senax]

I suppose the relevance to the wheel is seeing gravity as a wind blowing vertically down.

[Tarsier79]

Except it isn't. That is an extremely poor and misguided view of gravity.

[Senax]

Except it isn't. That is an extremely poor and misguided view of gravity.

Well it's certainly a tiny minority view in the forum.
I only know of one other person who takes it, namely John Collins.

Mustn't forget Isaac Newton though, must we. :-)

[Fletcher]

Sounds like an excellent question for the AI Chat-Bot ;7)

1. Did Newton compare gravity force to a vertical wind force, and if so, how ?

2. Could a very light remote controlled DWFTW cart equivalent standing vertically create Lift force [from interacting with gravity force 'flow'] and accelerate vertically from the earths surface [directly into the 'flow' of gravity force] and then hover at 3 meters above ground indefinitely, with no other source of thrust ?

[Tarsier79]

Great Idea Fletcher:

Me:

is gravity like a vertical wind

GTP Chat Bot:

Gravity is not like a wind. Gravity is a force that attracts two objects with mass towards each other. It is what causes objects to fall towards the ground when dropped and what keeps the Earth and other planets in orbit around the Sun.

Wind is a movement of air caused by the difference in air pressure between two areas. It is caused by the movement of air masses and the Earth's rotation. Wind can be horizontal or vertical, but it is not related to gravity in the same way that gravity is a force that acts between two objects with mass.

[Senax]

Sounds like an excellent question for the AI Chat-Bot ;7)
1. Did Newton compare gravity force to a vertical wind force, and if so, how ?
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https://johncollinsnews.blogspot.com/20 ... otion.html

If it's good enough for Newton and John Collins then it's good enough for me. :-)

[Fletcher]

1. Newton theorized that gravity force might be a 'flux' particle raining down vertically. Aether theory is similar. Winds are the movement of an observable mass (inertia) around the planet in any direction.

2. If there was a physical 'flux' gravity particle it would be possible to vertically shield one half of a paddle wheel so that the 'flux' bounced off the shield. And on the open side the pressure of the 'flux' would continuously rotate the the wheel downwards. Just like an overshot water mill, in principle.

It would be possible to build a light weight DWFTTW cart equivalent that could raise itself up from the ground and hover indefinitely. Since the real "Blackbird" traveling horizontally can make 1.8 unit ground speed against 1.0 unit wind speed directly into wind using Bernoulli's pressure differential principle plus momentum transfer from angle of attack.

[Senax]

It's the inertia of the earth which gives us the energy. This is most obvious in the two car example.
The lower road car pushes down on the earth and is pushed back by the earth (conservation of vertical momentum) more than the upper road car.

In the case of the Laithwaite wheel it is the conservation of rotational momentum. If he stands in the middle of a platform completely free to rotate he would not be able to lift the wheel.

Bessler's wheel is simply tapping the inertial energy of the earth - which is inexhaustible as far as man is concerned.

Unfortunately the idea of the earth being moved by us seems to engender enormous cognitive dissonance. I have even detected it in cloud camper whom one might have expected to have known better. :-)

[agor95]

Assuming a Bessler Wheel transfers momentum from Earth to Wheel.

The one could imagine a lesser body than Earth could be used.

A changing in momentum is in effect a change in acceleration.
So could the body have a change in direction then another change back again.

So the orbiting body would appear to wobble along it's expected path.

Also when one tries configuring a collection of devices to counteract their effects
one should expect a residue of annular momentum.

This is similar to magnetism.

Regards

[Senax]

Assuming a Bessler Wheel transfers momentum from Earth to Wheel.

Then one could imagine a lesser body than Earth could be used.

A changing in momentum is in effect a change in acceleration.
So could the body have a change in direction then another change back again.

So the orbiting body would appear to wobble along it's expected path.

Also when one tries configuring a collection of devices to counteract their effects
one should expect a residue of annular momentum.

This is similar to magnetism.

Regards

Good point to bear in mind. The frame of the wheel is a large inertial mass. It's rotation could arise from reaction to movement the internal components.
The frame is even round like the earth. 8-)
It even gets over the psychological difficulty some people have with the suggestion that one is moving the earth. Actions and reactions can be kept within a smaller closed system.

[agor95]

A lot has happened since my post you have quoted.

The device is not really a wheel. The only thing it has in common with a load bearing wheel is the bearings.
In other words the hub as a rotation degree of freedom.
The extra since then is the ersatz motion in two covariant dimensions. The inertia mass in the device is present in the
annual region where the movement is from the outer to the inner area during rotation.

That is not really Earth like, but the Bessler's implementation does rely on the Earth counteracting the internal stresses within the device.

The next proposal, beyond Bessler's implementation, would transcend the use of the Earth; but that is more theoretical than one being
evaluated at this time.

As for me I am digging into this new weird Geometric Algebra it's only been around since 1873!

As to the main cord of this thread where Newton guesses the course of gravity on a particle that has not been found.
His guess has the same standing as the one were mercury's orbit alteration is cause by a plant Vulcan.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... ngbooktalk

I my repeat other peoples opinion. That does not automatically mean me agreeing with their opinion. Like 'ersatz' used above does not bind me to other members posts.

Enjoy

[WaltzCee]

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Like 'ersatz' used above does not bind me to other members posts.

maybe it binds you, maybe not.
It does point to where you lifted the idea from.

Pseudo-human. humm.