Do Water Wheels Work?

[UbWe]

Mt 84, Mt 85 and Mt 86 are 3 consecutive MT drawings. If Bessler arranged them this way then does that agree with the 3 crosses he
put in his drawing of his Bi-directional Wheel at Merseburg, Germany? And yet "heckling" has pretty much killed Bessler. After all, until
Bessler can prove he ult a working wheel he is a fraud. Those are the forum rules.
And why do 3 crosses together or 3 drawings together matter when the drawings have the freemason symbol in them? MT 85 doesn't
but MT 86 has 2 so MT 84 has 1, MT 85 has 0 and MT 86 has 2 which equals 3. Jubat, AB Hammer, Tarsier79 and waltzcee, does it even
matter? Only you guys can tell. Bessler was a fraud because he doesn't have a working wheel. Forum Rule #1, no working wheel, you are
a fraud.
And anymore I don't care because this is a waste of time. Native English speakers killed this subject and yet they're "Christians". And 3
crosses and 3 drawings aren't a working wheel. After all, what are 3 crosses about? Thieves get caught maybe?
I did add Mt 125 because it shows how bellows can pump water by opening and closing. It also has a Freemason's symbol in it.

p.s., The Freemasons require a member to profess faith in God. And with Mt 84, note what is at its axle location as in drawings of Bessler's
Wheels and is used on grindstones that use a treadle to power them.

And it's the "credible" people in this forum that makes me "believe" things will go better in Europe but not England. I was "heckled" at
thenakedscientists.com (Oxford University) for explaining why ice ages and inter-glacial periods happen. Isn't that the way it should be?
Discuss science in a science forum and the native English speakers will "heckle" you.

p.s.s., Can a 4 to 1 leverage pump water when a weight is swinging downward? I wouldn't know. I know 4 people who do know. And if they say
nothing then I'll say nothing. I know I'll be wrong so why bother, right? It's like did Bessler have a bi-directional wheel? I can't say that he did.
All this shows is that when "heckling" was supported it ruined this forum.

[WaltzCee]

• polypoints
  • Jubat, AB Hammer, Tarsier79 and waltzcee, does it even
    matter?
  • Only you guys can tell.
  • Bessler was a fraud because he doesn't have a working wheel.
  • Forum Rule #1, no working wheel, you are a fraud.

I'd like to speak to the third point. Fair to say

• Bessler doesn't have much, considering he's dead. Is there even any remembrance in the grave?

That's hard to argue, yet it doesn't follow he was a fraud. I'm sure his very asshole has rotted off him by now yet

• you have to give Bessler credit, he managed to get thru life with it in tack. He didn't lose his ass.

Now if one were to claim they have Bessler's wheel, & have been saying that for the last twenty years, well, we all draw our own conclusions.

[UbWe]

I sent a letter to Dr. Jaski of Utrecht University who has an original Johann Bessler book. And I gave him a simple mathematical proof.
Why does this matter? Do the forum leaders know how to use a unit circle and know trigonometry? That is what allows for an easy explanation
of what allowed Bessler's Wheel to actually work. And if people aren't familiar with those 2 maths then you can't consider how to use force 90º
perpendicular to gravity.
Why this matters is because when a lever drops with gravity (swings Bessler said), what it's moving 90º perpendicular to gravity is called rotation.
Linear momentum being conserved as angular momentum. And if the forum leaders aren't familiar with basic maths and science, it makes things
difficult. I also know I was told that I have to work for a "pure" American which is why I am disliked in here.

p.s., It is interesting that John Collins who wrote a book about Bessler and had a nice discussion with waltzcee. What is it AB Hammer told me? I have
to prove it to him. I think people in Europe and not England will find these attitudes towards Bessler's Wheel in a forum dedicated to his work interesting.
It's like telling people in church they can't pray because can you prove Jesus was the Son of God? Engineering does not require faith. And all waltzcee
and his friends will have shown is that they do not want Bessler's Wheel realized because they have nothing.
And waltzcee, people will know that John Collins supported you and not me. After all, you are his friend.

[WaltzCee]

• And all waltzcee
  and his friends will have shown is that they do not want Bessler's Wheel realized because they have nothing.

I can address this.

• @ Jimmy-Alan
  • I'm willing to write Jubat a check for $150,000.00 USD [ one hundred fifty thousand US dollars & no cents ] if I post @ Bessler Wheel before I make & publish a video of a working wheel first, if you'd be willing to do likewise.

Can you accept this challenge?

[UbWe]

• And all waltzcee
  and his friends will have shown is that they do not want Bessler's Wheel realized because they have nothing.

I can address this.

• @ Jimmy-Alan
  • I'm willing to write Jubat a check for $150,000.00 USD [ one hundred fifty thousand US dollars & no cents ] if I post @ Bessler Wheel before I make & publish a video of a working wheel first, if you'd be willing to do likewise.

Can you accept this challenge?

And Alan, what you’re saying is that you have kept me from realizing Bessler’s Wheel for 20 years.

[WaltzCee]

• And Alan, what you’re saying is that you have kept me from realizing Bessler’s Wheel for 20 years.

Alan must have left you very butt hurt.
chicken.

[UbWe]

• And Alan, what you’re saying is that you have kept me from realizing Bessler’s Wheel for 20 years.

Alan must have left you very butt hurt.
chicken.

This will be an example of why I'll tell people to avoid this forum. You're well liked while you post like that. And since I know how math
applies to Johann Bessler's Principle of Perpetual Motion, it will be able to be used to bring some of his drawings to life as well. This
would allow for an exhibition including my builds which includes the "failed" builds (it does take work to realize an idea) to 5 and if my
own designs are included then that number would go up to 7. And a video of Aldo Costa's wheel in France would have the number of
builds being displayed totaling 8 wheels.
One "failed" build demonstrates what Johann Bessler meant when he said "the weight shoots out". Weight's don't shoot out in his working
wheel but this might be one way to describe it, the fat lazy horses would be bellows filled with water. I could imagine his poem being displayed
next to his book and his wheels. Two of his wheels would have water while one will have lead.


Greed is an evil root.
An anvil receives many blows.
A driver drives. A runner runs.
A seer sees. The buyer buys.
The rain flows. Snow falls.
The jack fires. The bow twangs;
a large herd of fat, lazy,
plump horses wanders aimlessly.
The flail wants to be with the
thresher, not with the scholar.
Children play among the pillars
with loud heavy clubs.
Acrobats and shadow-boxers
are as swift and nimble as the wind.
The cunning cat slinks quietly along
and snatches juicy mice.
The dog creeps out of his kennel
just as far as his chain will stretch.
He knows how to please by playing
with his toys and knick-knacks.
He wags his tail, creeps through the hoop,
and is rewarded with a pat on the paws
by the stiff fops who watch him.

A wheel appears - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim.
It revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside,
and without weights, wind, or springs.
Seen sideways or full face it is as glorious as a peacock's tail.
It turns to the right and to the left.
It spins around in any direction whether laden or empty.

All things belong to one of three kingdoms and you have the evidence before you.
Without such things as sulfur, salt, and mercury, all things will come to a standstill.
The qualities of the elements are necessary to keep things going.
Saturn, Mars, and Jupiter are ready to join in any battle.
The things we eat run through every limb and sinue of our bodies.
A crab crawls from side to side; It is sound for it is designed thus.
Poltergeists wander freely through locked doors.

But softly! - speak softly of all these marvels,
lest the enemy grows wise! He will drench me with his spittle
so that I will lose my temper and in a sudden fit,
cast aside the mantle that conceals my wheel.
But he shall be thwarted in his desires.
Maybe we could get Alan Bauldree and Ralph Lortie to allow their builds to be displayed as well? While they don't work they would represent
besslerwheel.com and what it has allowed for as a forum.

https://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html

[JUBAT]

Wait a minute. Who has a working wheel? I missed something somewhere.

[UbWe]

Wait a minute. Who has a working wheel? I missed something somewhere.

Alan Bauldree does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LeYYidRXlk&t=3s I don't know anyone who can build
better than him. There's a reason why he's one of the most respected members in the forum. And when someone has a wheel
that works that well, I'm just surprised he's not on the television talking about it.
And AB Hammer has the support of orpheus.org and about everyone in here and he's never been banned. That's because he's
simply the best.

[WaltzCee]

Wait a minute. Who has a working wheel? I missed something somewhere.

I challenged Jimmy-Alan

• @ Jimmy-Alan
  • I'm willing to write Jubat a check for $150,000.00 USD [ one hundred fifty thousand US dollars & no cents ] if I post @ Bessler Wheel before I make & publish a video of a working wheel first, if you'd be willing to do likewise.

& he behaved like a person with a vagina. He has nothing.

[WaltzCee]

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I'm not speaking of an average person with a vagina. Oh no. Were talking a one in a state of Perpetual Menstruation ®. Full on PM

[UbWe]

Wait a minute. Who has a working wheel? I missed something somewhere.

I challenged Jimmy-Alan

• @ Jimmy-Alan
  • I'm willing to write Jubat a check for $150,000.00 USD [ one hundred fifty thousand US dollars & no cents ] if I post @ Bessler Wheel before I make & publish a video of a working wheel first, if you'd be willing to do likewise.

& he behaved like a person with a vagina. He has nothing.

What are you talking about? I accept AB Hammer aka Alan Bauldree as a Perpetual Motion God and that orpheus.org created his Heavenly Kingdom where his angels could sing his praises. I am just a lowly sinner who has humbly knelt down on one knee with one arm held up in salute of him. I have
always said that orpheus.org made the right choice in creating a Kingdom for their God.
We all know that my work will never be as good as his. I mean I get banned because I'm a lowly sinner that can't do anything right. I am just so Thankful that the Perpetual Motion God AB Hammer and his Angels have been so tolerant of my being in their Kingdom of Heaven and I know now I don't deserve
to be in Heaven.

[JUBAT]

Okay JL - I want to thank you for leaving me alone the past few days. I want to start over and hopefully we can each carefully choose our words so that we can have productive discussions. I don't want to get all thick with you and be best friends...that's off the table...but as long as you quit accusing me of being ABHammer, then I can be cordial.

I see that video you posted and if that is in fact ABHammer's wheel...I'm not impressed by it...it's a fail.

Also I'd like to add that ABHammer hasn't posted in here for a long, long time. It's obvious you have past grudges and that's fine...we all have prix and dix in our past, but for now let's just move on.

First of all - I'm not calling for your banishment, I don't care about you being Norwegian, and I'm not all about the pure race stuff. If you wish to carry on with that, make sure you leave me out of it. I don't agree at all with those lines of reasoning - that of using ethnicity as a barrier to progress and whatnot. If you honestly think I'm guilty of such things, please cite proof so that I can correct my speech or correct misunderstandings. Don't read any racial stuff into what I type because it's the farthest thing from my mind. I take such accusations seriously and if you set out to accuse me personally of any of that stuff, you must cite immediate proof or else it's considered libel and we will have to deal with that professionally.

Moving right along now - I see you have entertained quite a few different wheels from Bessler's MT. Do you have any in particular that you are fond of? I have my favourites, but even I must admit not a one of them is a runner and even the many I've built...none of them ran.

I have an opinion about the wheel and that is - the weights must be able to speed up and slow down throughout their rotation. I think the weights matched the speed of the wheel on the descent, but were sped up on the climb so that "in a flash" they were escorted to the top of the wheel. As they were escorted up to the top of the wheel, the loading for this would have been from the center of rotation, but on the descent the pressure would have been applied to the outside of the wheel. I think those are critical movements in order to cause rotation.

What's your opinion on how the wheel probably ran? Remember that you can only speak with authority on the subject if you have a working wheel (unlike that video you shared with the hand assistance), but if you wish to throw out some math and conjecture, I'll have a listen.

Don't be a jerk about it - just have a respectful discussion devoid of the hurts of the past.

[UbWe]

Okay JL - I want to thank you for leaving me alone the past few days. I want to start over and hopefully we can each carefully choose our words so that we can have productive discussions. I don't want to get all thick with you and be best friends...that's off the table...but as long as you quit accusing me of being ABHammer, then I can be cordial.

I see that video you posted and if that is in fact ABHammer's wheel...I'm not impressed by it...it's a fail.

Also I'd like to add that ABHammer hasn't posted in here for a long, long time. It's obvious you have past grudges and that's fine...we all have prix and dix in our past, but for now let's just move on.

First of all - I'm not calling for your banishment, I don't care about you being Norwegian, and I'm not all about the pure race stuff. If you wish to carry on with that, make sure you leave me out of it. I don't agree at all with those lines of reasoning - that of using ethnicity as a barrier to progress and whatnot. If you honestly think I'm guilty of such things, please cite proof so that I can correct my speech or correct misunderstandings. Don't read any racial stuff into what I type because it's the farthest thing from my mind. I take such accusations seriously and if you set out to accuse me personally of any of that stuff, you must cite immediate proof or else it's considered libel and we will have to deal with that professionally.

Moving right along now - I see you have entertained quite a few different wheels from Bessler's MT. Do you have any in particular that you are fond of? I have my favourites, but even I must admit not a one of them is a runner and even the many I've built...none of them ran.

I have an opinion about the wheel and that is - the weights must be able to speed up and slow down throughout their rotation. I think the weights matched the speed of the wheel on the descent, but were sped up on the climb so that "in a flash" they were escorted to the top of the wheel. As they were escorted up to the top of the wheel, the loading for this would have been from the center of rotation, but on the descent the pressure would have been applied to the outside of the wheel. I think those are critical movements in order to cause rotation.

What's your opinion on how the wheel probably ran? Remember that you can only speak with authority on the subject if you have a working wheel (unlike that video you shared with the hand assistance), but if you wish to throw out some math and conjecture, I'll have a listen.

Don't be a jerk about it - just have a respectful discussion devoid of the hurts of the past.

I'm going to quit posting in here. I have 2 failed builds I am working on and while you're the only person in the world who's kind enough to talk
to me, I've been told may times that I'm the problem in here so I'll have to decline your most generous offer. And since everybody in here likes
you and supports you, you won't have to waste your time on someone like me. You should enjoy posting with your friends, they do love you and
who knows, do you guys sext each other you naughty boys you guys are!!

[JUBAT]

No sexting and that was an unkind thing to suggest. Stop it.

Also, since you've made an accusation that everyone loves me, then I request that you cite references to that statement. The facts are that I'm a skeptic and have caused at least one member to put me on ignore. Until you came back and started posting, I was hated for expressing my heavily cynical beliefs.

Once again, you've said that everyone loves me so I must request that you provide proof. I disagree.

So you've been told you're the problem in here - by whom and once again, you must provide proof for the accusations for them to stick. WC has been forthcoming in this regard so that's one...but one is not enough to dissuade unless one is a pushover which I assume you're not.

Now you've said that you're going to quit posting in here. I'm willing to let that comment slide in order to get a fresh start. No more sour grapes...only productive talk about the wheel.

Where do you stand?