Re: The Wheels Secret, revealed


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Posted by John Collins (194.164.38.144) on March 21, 2003 at 00:08:12:

In Reply to: The Wheels Secret, revealed posted by David on March 20, 2003 at 16:20:44:

:Good idea David. I had also thought along those lines - of using an additional energy source to help the wheel's transition from one position to he next, but using springs or magnets. Hydraulics is a possibility too, although I don't know how efficient such a device might have been in those days. But that was the era of Papin's pressure-cooker and the Newcomen Engine both of which required good water tight seals so perhaps it was not so difficult.

I must take issue with your comment that "If it were just a wheel that ran on just gravity, it would have been, and still would be regarded as true perpetual motion". Perpetual motion requires nil input of energy other than that required to start a PM machine. I have always maintained that in order to turn, a gravity wheel constantly draws energy from the field of gravity as its internal balance is upset at each revolution, and cannot be described as a perpetual motion machine.

John C.


Sorry for the daring title. I've been asked by a few people ( maybe it was just grim) how Bessler could have faked his wheel. I didn't really give the mechanics of it a lot of thought, but John Collins actually gave me an answer. Though, of course I am not saying it is the answer, but it is an answer. I'll site 3 versions of it where one will show how to fake it. 2 how it is possible it actually gave back some energy, and three how perhaps it was possible it was a free energy type of machine. The following also makes some sense of other details I don't quite understand as how one wheel needed to be tied down around the axel and then released where the others needed first a push. These two types seem completely opposite, but maybe they were the same and one just used "door locks" John Collins wrote the following,
: >Gottfried

: , one of the most celebrated scientists of the time (and undoubtedly comparable to Newton although his work extended over his whole life rather than the few years as a young man, attributable to Newton)and he took up his cause. It is interesting to see the progress of Liebniz' conviction that Bessler's machine was genuine. Those who have read my book will recall that the story of Leibniz, was demonstrated through the numerous letters he wrote to other witnesses and examiners. He was at first sceptical but eventually agreed that the machine was a gravity wheel but not true perpetual motion.

: What I believe Leibniz meant by this was there were inventiones being made, that were known, that made us of natural occuring energetic forces like atmospheric expansion and contraction. If it were just a wheel that ran on just gravity, it would have been, and still would be regarded as true perpetual motion. So, John mentions Bessler had knowledge of hydralics,

: 1. To fake a wheel. Imagine inside the wheel there was a highly compressed cylinder perhaps of an air water mixture (his lower cylinder?) extending outwards from the center of this cylinder to the rim are pistons, each ending to a movable weight (one that moves by variant pressure from the cylinder. Using a system of levers and locks this wheel could be made to revolve by having one weight extentded longer on one side than its opposite ( where they dont share the same center of gravity) and gravity of course would give the wheel a quarter turn.(The jack fires. The bow twangs;)one it reaches bottom a small amount of pressure from the cylinder would be released to cause the two weights to move to achieve balance, and would also cause the next set of weights to move to achieve imbalance. Keep in mind that although it takes energy to move the bottom and top weights, it takes next to nothing to move weight side to side. This being said this example is the most simple of a hydralic system.

: 2. Perhaps Bessler found an optimum arrangement of pistons/and weights that allowed the movement of the wheel to give back energy to the main cylinder. Not quite free energy but a very long lasting "wound up device" Perhaps a "swastika" or other geometric arrangement.
: 3. He found an optimum arrangement where all


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