Posted by ovyyus (203.26.14.3) on April 25, 2003 at 17:48:35:
In Reply to: My position posted by David on April 25, 2003 at 10:01:15:
Hi David,
You say you are 90% sure that Bessler was a fraud. That's pretty sure, isn't it.
I have to ask, why are you here? Why do you persist if you're so sure Bessler faked his demonstrations?
Yep, the World is full of con artists, no surprise there. The World is also full of sceptics. The con man milks us of our money while the sceptic milks us of our dreams.
It would seem you've become a sceptic looking for a way out of a difficult problem. I don't really blame you for that because it really is a difficult problem. If you can find closure this way then great, congratulations, problem solved.
Ah, but if it wasn't for that damned 10%.
What I don't understand is how you can prove your point of view with no evidence to back it up. There is no first hand historical report that proves fraud, far from it.
If you really want everyone to sit up and take notice then why not replicate Bessler's 'faked' demonstrations.
Nothing like a good old fashioned demonstration to win an arguement :)
Regards, ovyyus.
: This is a letter I have been debating writting for a couple of days now, at the moment it seems timely. First my position on Bessler. Although I do appreciate John Collins work, there is no doubt John is pro Bessler. John please don't take this as a slight against you, I guess anyone who believes in something (myself included) is apt to rush to the defence of what they believe to be true. But...I must point out that for every actual historical piece of data on Bessler none of it points towards absolute proof, and is only circumstance. For every piece written about him I can find at least 3 other similarities in con artists, Dennis Lee, Joeseph Newman, Keeley, etc. Again I am not saying he was a fraud, but am not saying he was not. I would like to compose an unbiased list of similarites, and then see where it sits, but I am not sure if it would be appreciated. That being said I am only 90 percent sure he was a fraud. 1, because I am pro free energy myself, and 2, because when I first started in my experimentation I discovered something to do with swinging weights. This was close to seven years ago. I was able to cause two weights to interact with each other in such a way that one of the weights wich started at the 12 oclock position was made to rotate very fast (at least 8 rotations) in one mode. In the other both weights were made to go back to their starting positions multiple times from one impulse, but the motion was random (or seemingly chaotic). I tried to harness it,to make it continuess but was not able to. I have since thought of a new way, maybe it will work.
: Secondly, I have been checking the net out for a years regarding free energy. Let me tell you, 80 percent of it is composed of con artists, or people who's only intent is to waste serious peoples time, or just plain flakes. So my advice to anyone serious about this, learn as much as you can, be helpful, but any insiteful information you aquire on yout own, I would keep to yourself. You have a lot to lose by giving it out, and much to possibly gain by staying quiet. Consider patents, or at least building the thing (whatever that invention is) before spreading the news around. I made the mistake of posting some info up for a few days before I came to my senses. Luckly only a few people saw it. I had sent a nondisclosure agreement to a well known sceptic and said basically, I know this will work, mathamatically it will work. Isn't that good enough for recognician? He said no, I see your idea, looks interesting, but I don't think it will work. I spent the time and money building it, and he was right, it didn't. BUT...I also realized I built part of it wrong. The idea still has merit, but it will come later. Even if you have to wait years, it is in YOUR best interest. Sometimes a patent takes 2 years. I know John Collins has filed. One last example. There was an expereiment I performed a few years ago that resulted in something I am sure no one else has ever seen. In fact I told a friend who was taking physics in university about it and his e proceeded to ask intelligent questions, at which point this person became nervous and very defensive. I am so glad my experiment didn't work for him, and I hope he forgot about it. In retospect who knows how he would have used it.